Thread: The Law Of Attraction

Originally Posted by really

They are called the Laws of Physics, actually. Through them we can fly.

Now you're making claims about the mechanics of human flight... Holy dog shit.

In her case, she has evidence - the reason to keep believing. Notice the problem you have?

Notice how you don't know what evidence means?

If I put forth the thesis "Yellow rats living on mars control my sleep and are responsible for my waking up at morning" and I wake up at morning that is NOT evidence for yellow rats living on mars.

Also consider confirmation holism.

Right - so he can be a so, as a scientist and write books and have documents on real-life stories, history and laboratory evidence? Grow up. Stop posting rubbish, you're acting like a selfish five year old!

If you think I didn't notice you dodging my arguments like flying horse shit, then you're wrong.

Tell me why I should take someone serious who claims to be able to alter DNA by choice. This man is clearly an idiot.

You obviously don't know what the Universe is. And yes, it's inside your head. Which becomes everywhere else.

Wow, you just solved a number of age-old philosophical problems in a matter of seconds. Without any evidence. How did you become so smart?

Everywhere in nature, because it is a Universal Law.

Prove it.

By changing the way you think as an individual.

Your claim: The frequency of electromagnetic waves can be altered by changing the way you think.

Your evidence: ????

Because thoughts are part of the Individual Mind, through the Universal Mind, and the Universal is where all substance arises from.

Evidence for this claim?

This is where we get evidence for great quantum correlations and entanglement patterns.

Really? I thought that you'd get evidence for quantum mechanics in big-ass physics laboratories and particle accelerators.
I could be wrong...

Originally Posted by Korittke

Now you're making claims about the mechanics of human flight... Holy dog shit.

Well now I can see why you don't get anything, you're so shallow.

Originally Posted by Korittke

Notice how you don't know what evidence means?

If I put forth the thesis "Yellow rats living on mars control my sleep and are responsible for my waking up at morning" and I wake up at morning that is NOT evidence for yellow rats living on mars.

Also consider confirmation holism.

There is evidence. People think that the LOA isn't a Law because "it doesn't work". Well, whatever that context may be, "it not working, I'm not attracting" is the Law working. Half the problem is that people don't know how to work with it! Give any mathematical formula to a great mathematician to use and he will solve problems with it successfully. Give any mathematical formula to an unexperienced idiot, give him a problem to solve, and he will conclude the formula is too bizarre and perhaps even wrong, because he doesn't know how to come to terms with it in the bigger picture. He'd be extremely lucky if he even payed attention to the formula sheet when he received it in the first place.

Originally Posted by Korittke

If you think I didn't notice you dodging my arguments like flying horse shit, then you're wrong.

Well it depends on many things, but overall, the illusion of me dodging your arguments is developed when you accentuate the nature of your arguments as being "flying horse shit", so I'd suggest you be a bit more specific. Give me a honest mature response, the right attitude, and you shall learn.

Originally Posted by Korittke

Tell me why I should take someone serious who claims to be able to alter DNA by choice. This man is clearly an idiot.

As simplified as possible, yes it is true that we can "alter DNA by choice". We become what we have thought, and that in turn shapes and conditions our experiences. There is proof, but you decided to ignore it on account of false reasons.

Originally Posted by Korittke

Wow, you just solved a number of age-old philosophical problems in a matter of seconds. Without any evidence. How did you become so smart?

I have all the evidence I need, and that ended up being a lot. By deciding to learn something purely from my desire.

Originally Posted by Korittke

Prove it.

If there is a Scientific Law, by science it applies to everyone. There is this scientific Law of Attraction. It works for everyone, naturally. That means it is Universal, that means it governs nature. To put simply, everybody has the same potential, but not everybody has the same recognition of this potential. They are proportional, so while you have the infinite potential, it will be useless if you do not recognize it to make the best use of it. Imagine the strongest man alive, with very little intelligence. His muscles will be useless; he doesn't know what they can do; then he shall lose them.

Plants and animals also show evidence, but are limited by their intelligence. Watch how things adapt, grow and evolve to fit the perfect circumstance. That's done by thinking, by changing the DNA, by growing, by evolving with the knowledge that it can be done through desire.

Originally Posted by Korittke

Your claim: The frequency of electromagnetic waves can be altered by changing the way you think.

Your evidence: ????

My bad, I corrected myself. I'm talking about the very small Quantum particles, not electrons. See above.

Originally Posted by Korittke

Evidence for this claim?

By recognizing the Laws of the Universe, and putting them into practice with success, that is evidence of the incredible nature of the workings of all existence.

For the nature of your questions, I recommend you read: "The Master Key System", found below.

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=44976

http://www.universallawstoday.com/ebooks/masterkey.pdf

Originally Posted by Korittke

Really? I thought that you'd get evidence for quantum mechanics in big-ass physics laboratories and particle accelerators.
I could be wrong...

That's where the evidence comes from, if you bothered listening to those Youtube links.

Well, I bean reading the Master Key system and found more of the same confused blasphemy as seems to be spreading nowadays about collective consciousness...

Originally Posted by Master Key: Part One

24. All agree that there is but one Principle or Consciousness pervading the entire Universe, occupying all space, and being essentially the same in kind at every point of its presence. It is all powerful, all wisdom and always present. All thoughts and things are within Itself. It is all in all.

25. There is but one consciousness in the universe able to think; and when it thinks, its thoughts become objective things to it. As this Consciousness is omnipresent, it must be present within every individual; each individual must be a manifestation of that Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent Consciousness.

We are not one consciousness! And, pff, "all agree" is such an overstatement.

So, aye, as much as the mind exists aside from the physical body, this Master Key system shouldn't be taken as worthwhile insight simply for the above quote. If there is such a major flaw in it, then who's to say there aren't countless others?

Originally Posted by Merlock

We are not one consciousness! And, pff, "all agree" is such an overstatement.

So, aye, as much as the mind exists aside from the physical body, this Master Key system shouldn't be taken as worthwhile insight simply for the above quote. If there is such a major flaw in it, then who's to say there aren't countless others?

I know you've never liked the idea of consciousness, but I don't believe you understand it. Which means, no it is not a flaw, you just do not understand the concept properly.

Originally Posted by really

I know you've never liked the idea of consciousness, but I don't believe you understand it. Which means, no it is not a flaw, you just do not understand the concept properly.

Oh, and you do?

Give me a f***ing break. Do you have any idea how insulting it is to dedicate your life to investigating the mechanisms behind consciousness, only to have people like you run around shouting "I'VE GOT IT! I'VE GOT IT!"? You speak in absolutes 90% of the time, whether you notice it or not. You act as if everything you say is an obvious truth, as if no one in their right mind would dare to disagree with your statements. Look:

Originally Posted by really

And to your last statement, yes they both do. Because our Individual Mind is part of the Universal Mind, where all individual Mind and substance arises from. It is from this knowledge does abundance be recognized. Before anything in the Mind can be manifested, it must first be imagined, then felt, then believed, and finally then received as substance in the outer world.

Where do you get this from? Do you have any actual evidence that this is true? Does this theory make any testable predictions, is it even falsifiable? I'm tired of this sort of nonsense. It's totally fine for you to bring new, unorthodox ideas to the table. It is not fine to act like they're absolute truths which do not need to be evidenced or discussed.

Presenting your ideas in this way is not conducive to discussion or even debate, it's like talking to a textbook. You have to actually respond to our specific points, you can't just repeat the same rhetoric every time we ask a question.

Poor Gnome. And you try so hard. Don't let them get to you, we don't have many left.

For once (or is this the second time), I agree with thegnome.
It is unwise to deal in absolutes. Those with true wisdom and an open mind allow for everything and never deny anything but don't delusion themselves either, rather seeking out the truths of all things. Pretty much as this quote says:

You must never believe in a credulous way anything that you are told. You must not disbelieve it either, for that would be foolish. The only method to adopt is to accept as a possibility the things that you are told, then to set about finding out the way to prove these things for yourself.

And I do understand what consciousness is, very well, seeing how I've spent years on introspection and thought and discussion on such topics. The point I make concerning collective consciousness is still the same: I do not share anything with anyone. Not consciousness, not character/ego, nothing, for the consciousness is a mental trait, and thus it cannot be hidden from me that it's shared with anyone (as the idea of a collective consciousness states) because we are conscious self-aware beings: our level of consciousness is already at its peak, from what I can see, since we are...conscious. Thus, we are indeed independent, from what we can tell at this moment.

And as for this:

And to your last statement, yes they both do. Because our Individual Mind is part of the Universal Mind, where all individual Mind and substance arises from. It is from this knowledge does abundance be recognized. Before anything in the Mind can be manifested, it must first be imagined, then felt, then believed, and finally then received as substance in the outer world.

I think it's safe to say that if you had indeed experienced the "Universal Mind" and the above quote was knowledge instead of deduction, then you wouldn't be here discussing it on an online forum but rather gaining new levels of knowledge, wisdom, power and enlightenment, focusing on reality and great ambitious goals rather than social interaction online.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Oh, and you do?

Give me a f***ing break. Do you have any idea how insulting it is to dedicate your life to investigating the mechanisms behind consciousness, only to have people like you run around shouting "I'VE GOT IT! I'VE GOT IT!"? You speak in absolutes 90% of the time, whether you notice it or not. You act as if everything you say is an obvious truth, as if no one in their right mind would dare to disagree with your statements. Look:



Where do you get this from? Do you have any actual evidence that this is true? Does this theory make any testable predictions, is it even falsifiable? I'm tired of this sort of nonsense. It's totally fine for you to bring new, unorthodox ideas to the table. It is not fine to act like they're absolute truths which do not need to be evidenced or discussed.

Presenting your ideas in this way is not conducive to discussion or even debate, it's like talking to a textbook. You have to actually respond to our specific points, you can't just repeat the same rhetoric every time we ask a question.

Seconded.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Oh, and you do?

Yes. It has many definitions of course, which must be what causes all the confusion. But in this context, it is self awareness - the perception of the relationship between oneself and one's environment, to a great extent.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Consciousness is regarded to comprise qualities such as subjectivity, self-awareness, sentience, and the ability to perceive the relationship between oneself and one's environment. It is a subject of much research in philosophy of mind, psychology, neuroscience, and cognitive science.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Give me a f***ing break. Do you have any idea how insulting it is to dedicate your life to investigating the mechanisms behind consciousness, only to have people like you run around shouting "I'VE GOT IT! I'VE GOT IT!"?

Well I'm sorry if it hurts you so much, but it's going to happen to somebody somewhere along the line. I won't give you such an impression if I felt otherwise - I wouldn't have that attitude if I hadn't made such a discovery. I wouldn't be fearlessly posting here if I had nothing worthy to exclaim.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

You speak in absolutes 90% of the time, whether you notice it or not. You act as if everything you say is an obvious truth, as if no one in their right mind would dare to disagree with your statements.

Well I do notice it, and I am aware of this. They are obvious truths for me, which brings about a challenge for conveying it properly to you. But you must know that text messages can deceive, and this is something that clearly I must take into further account

Do you want me to argue that I "speak in absolutes 90% of the time" - excuse me? 90% - this is absolute, do you want me to ask for evidence? No, I don't have to do that, I understand your point. I don't need to search for the absolute here, because I am aware of how subjective notions and expressions can change our worlds of perception.

Yes I may seem arrogant, and I apologize for that and what follows. But did it ever occur to you that there are fantastic things in life that make us act the way we do? Don't you have the slightest sympathy or understanding that people can feel content the way they are, and express that as best they can, as I have tried; and while seeing the reason behind it all?

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Where do you get this from? Do you have any actual evidence that this is true? Does this theory make any testable predictions, is it even falsifiable?

I got it from many areas of interest and reading, but the main source is "The Master Key System", which I have already mentioned. I have evidence that it is true all through my life. I have so much evidence, but really from what I have read in this thread, that kind of evidence seems to be useless to be up for discussion; I am not going to talk about my experiences because they are as valid as anyone else's, they may not even be considered in your method of acquiring knowledge. The predictions are testable and are entirely up to you, through this I have found no flaw or false hole anywhere. Believe me; I tell you that I am always skeptical for the first time I hear something, I be far too overcritical, and I've learned this concept, understood it properly, knowing that criticism and judgment has been almost useless in this respective case.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

I'm tired of this sort of nonsense. It's totally fine for you to bring new, unorthodox ideas to the table. It is not fine to act like they're absolute truths which do not need to be evidenced or discussed.

These ideas are not new, but they may seem new to you. Clearly, by posting here I am up for discussion. Evidence in this context is a challenge, some people must go a little deeper than that.

Sometimes, thoughts can not contradict others, because of the way the feel. Thoughts of numbers and letters can not contradict or prove wrong intense feelings of love and kindness, for example. I've felt gratefully blissful, when I realized that some things are of higher wisdom and risk than others; some seem greater and will nullify the criticism like a powerful intention heals the wound. There is now in my head is a greater plane of thought which rises above traditional reasoning, which therefore does not fail in presence of the typical.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Presenting your ideas in this way is not conducive to discussion or even debate, it's like talking to a textbook. You have to actually respond to our specific points, you can't just repeat the same rhetoric every time we ask a question.

I believe I have responded to your specific points. But yes, I need to back my responses up more as you wish. I wouldn't call it rhetoric. I'd call it the answer; you'd guess. And if your questions are not going to change, then the answers are more likened to the same manner.

Originally Posted by Merlock

It is unwise to deal in absolutes. Those with true wisdom and an open mind allow for everything and never deny anything but don't delusion themselves either, rather seeking out the truths of all things.

I am aware of this wisdom, and it is in practice, but you may not see so. Why don't you decide to seek this truth which I speak of, then?

You must never believe in a credulous way anything that you are told. You must not disbelieve it either, for that would be foolish. The only method to adopt is to accept as a possibility the things that you are told, then to set about finding out the way to prove these things for yourself.

I understand that quote. Do you - If I have already proven these things for myself, would it be unwise to try to prove them to you?

Originally Posted by Merlock

And I do understand what consciousness is, very well, seeing how I've spent years on introspection and thought and discussion on such topics. The point I make concerning collective consciousness is still the same: I do not share anything with anyone. Not consciousness, not character/ego, nothing, for the consciousness is a mental trait, and thus it cannot be hidden from me that it's shared with anyone (as the idea of a collective consciousness states) because we are conscious self-aware beings: our level of consciousness is already at its peak, from what I can see, since we are...conscious. Thus, we are indeed independent, from what we can tell at this moment.

I can see your limitation; you don't see the connection between Universal Consciousness and Individual Consciousness, right? And perhaps this is why you think there is no collective.

Originally Posted by Merlock

I think it's safe to say that if you had indeed experienced the "Universal Mind" and the above quote was knowledge instead of deduction, then you wouldn't be here discussing it on an online forum but rather gaining new levels of knowledge, wisdom, power and enlightenment, focusing on reality and great ambitious goals rather than social interaction online.

I believe it is becoming knowledge. I am practicing the ideas and finding no flaws. And I do urge you not to make such judgments of what I would be doing. I could be doing both of what you say, but you'd not know.

That post was of no substance and could have been shortened to "Nuh uh, I'm right."

What I don't get is, if I think negatively towards something, it doesn't go away!

Surely if the universe contained some kind of invisible sentiencey that could HEAR MY THOUGHTS and freaking UNDERSTAND THEM it can figure out whether I DO or DO NOT want it!

PS I am thinking of you all dying horrible deaths.

Originally Posted by Mark75

PS I am thinking of you all dying horrible deaths.

LOA because Mark75!

Loa?

Law of Attraction...

Never heard of it.

i ave watched the secret and it has worked in my life a lot!!! <---testimony??

really, the real, final reason for why I'm not part of any collective consciousness is because I don't want to be.
As I've said in previous such threads.

No one and nothing can force me, a conscious and self-aware being to become part of anyone else. And don't make consciousness seem less than what it is. It's still something shared with someone else and I share my mind in no way with anyone and I never will. It is for that reason alone that I am not part of any "universal mind".

Originally Posted by Merlock

really, the real, final reason for why I'm not part of any collective consciousness is because I don't want to be.
As I've said in previous such threads.

No one and nothing can force me, a conscious and self-aware being to become part of anyone else. And don't make consciousness seem less than what it is. It's still something shared with someone else and I share my mind in no way with anyone and I never will. It is for that reason alone that I am not part of any "universal mind".

Any communication with the outside world whatsoever brings you in to the collective consciousness. Your desire one way or the other is of no importance.

Merlock, the essence that is you will return to the same place as the essence that is me eventually. That is inescapably true. You were born a clean slate just as I or anyone else was... of the same essence. What makes you so different that your essence is more unique or special than the rest of us? The only difference between individuals is our gathered experiences, but we all undeniably share the same essence. That's what realization of higher consciousness is. A one-sided story being told from all directions. It's not some metaphysical leap of faith. It is recognition of what steers the ship of each individual incontrovertibly being the same pilot. It's logically within anyone's reach if they just open themselves up to it.

That same energy you spend building walls, can just as easily be put into building bridges.

Somehow though, for whatever reason, the shell you currently inhabit fears sharing it's gathered experiences with the whole, but that isn't the real you talking and that fear won't keep your collected experiences from being added to the essence of the whole. If anything clutching to that fear will make your transition back to the source that much harder for you, in the end.

If you came from the whole at birth, interact with the whole during life, and return to the whole upon death, you can't simply decide to cut ties with it and think that the bond has been severed completely. That is delusional in itself. Ignorance of acknowledging that will only cause you more grief and fear in the end.

Just let go of that false-ego. It's just a shell... or chrysalis to the objective perspective. The ride becomes admittedly more interesting once you stop fighting yourself and let go.

Hah, "my desire is of no importance"?

Anyone or anything that dares stand in my way will be crushed. That's called ambition and dedication. I don't care whether it's another person or an obstacle of existence as a whole. I am myself and I will do as I wish.

So, in essence, the above two posts are saying: "it doesn't matter what you want because existence will overpower you in the end" and I'm saying: "what I want is what matters most to me and thus nothing will stop me from it".

We have a conundrum.

But in essence, you're contradicting your own thread here. You can't possibly know the "big picture" of existence or you wouldn't be here debating it. Thus, the above is only a guess or some baseless deduction, no? Why not be honest about your abilities/knowledge, both of you?

Edit: Hm, well, since I've departed from the R/S forum with this "experiment", I guess I'll stop "debating" it here too. This really does get tiring.

Not really. It's something anyone can begin to realize once they stop putting up walls and start looking for the bridges. Even if I only comprehend the the tip of the iceberg in grand terms, I still have seen a part of the iceberg. Something that you deny existing altogether. It's that outright denial and ignorance of that iceberg's existence that you stand, breathe, and contemplate on and in that is more contradictory, don't you think?

You can fight it all you want. Just remember that in the end, the prison you put yourself in is made by and of no one other than yourself and your own fears.

Originally Posted by Merlock

Hah, "my desire is of no importance"?

Anyone or anything that dares stand in my way will be crushed. That's called ambition and dedication. I don't care whether it's another person or an obstacle of existence as a whole. I am myself and I will do as I wish.

So, in essence, the above two posts are saying: "it doesn't matter what you want because existence will overpower you in the end" and I'm saying: "what I want is what matters most to me and thus nothing will stop me from it".

We have a conundrum.

But in essence, you're contradicting your own thread here. You can't possibly know the "big picture" of existence or you wouldn't be here debating it. Thus, the above is only a guess or some baseless deduction, no? Why not be honest about your abilities/knowledge, both of you?

Edit: Hm, well, since I've departed from the R/S forum with this "experiment", I guess I'll stop "debating" it here too. This really does get tiring.

I am by no means saying nature will over power you. I'm saying by communicating, you are willfully becoming part of the collective consciousness. In theory you could choose to not be a part of it; but it would require you to remove yourself from any and all exchange of information, also known as killing yourself. Of course this would only prevent any further contribution to the collective consciousness, you can't take back what you have already contributed.

Solskye, why do you fluff up almost all of your posts with useless pictures?

Originally Posted by Merlock

Edit: Hm, well, since I've departed from the R/S forum with this "experiment", I guess I'll stop "debating" it here too. This really does get tiring.

The reason you'd feel tired is because it takes more energy to put up those walls and secure the cracks in those walls than it does to simply tear them down and take it all in.