Are You A Lightworker Or A Darkworker?

[LucidDreamGod]

Ok go here http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2007/03/a...r-a-darkworker/ or I can just sum it up If you polarize as a lightworker, you are dedicating your life to serving the greater good. If you polarize as a darkworker, you are dedicating your life to serving yourself. and if your not absolutly sure put neither they say it's very rare that a person would be one or the other. Personaly I'm a Darkworker I know this probably won't get much results but I've always wondered reather it was more likely that someone works to gain pleasure and growth for themselves or pleasure and growth for others Dang the first poll option messed up, well just answer in there and post if you didn't pick which one your closer too

[Ynot]

I'll be selfish and amass a big heap of money at which point, I'll give some to charity you can't help people if you're poor

[LucidDreamGod]

I'll be selfish and amass a big heap of money at which point, I'll give some to charity you can't help people if you're poor[/b] Well it certainly wouldn't be a problem I more ment the types of goals you aim for. now that you say that it kinda made me rethink it maybe I'm a bit of both.

[Howie]

Well it certainly wouldn't be a problem I more ment the types of goals you aim for. now that you say that it kinda made me rethink it maybe I'm a bit of both.[/b] I am a grey-worker. No honestly. I have a topic and we have gone into pretty great length in discussing this concept. Utilitarianism.

[slimslowslider]

I put lightworker - but I don't know anymore. I used to be for sure, spent most of my life working for very little, setting up environmental charities, doing sustainable design research, organising festivals etc.. But recently I've lost the faith as it were. Since most people have become aware of environmental issues, its very hard to actually do anything because the language, the paradigm even, has been absorbed into that inspid morass that is local government and corporations. Mostly we are now just pissing in the wind (or should that be farting in a hurricane?) and congratulating each other about it. Anyway - I still teach (lightworker) but am considering selling up and going to film school (or quicker: do a big coke run to Bolivia). Hopefully I'll then make loads of money and be a hedonist (darkworker?) before the oil runs out.

[Seeker]

I choose not to polarize, I do enjoy doing things for others and helping out, but doggoneit, I enjoy treating myself to a good time as well.

[LucidDreamGod]

hedonist (darkworker?)[/b] actualy I have a theory that everyone even light-workers are hedonists, think about it when you help others how does it make you feel inside, you get elightened and feel honored if you put yourself in harms way for someone elses life It depends on how you define pleasure

[slimslowslider]

True! But actually I spent much of the last decade fairly depressed

[LucidDreamGod]

True! But actually I spent much of the last decade fairly depressed [/b] I know how that feels I use the negitivity in life to motivate myself into becoming a lucid master, right now my life is mediocre which I don't like very much, there's nothing to push me forward. But I hate how depressed I was for the past few years, ofcourse there were reasons that serously put me down, and the mediocre part after coming out of it was a pain too. Depression for me is like an unvoluntary price to pay for motivation.

[Jess]

Sounds really pessimistic but I think we're all ultimately 'darkworkers', as most (all?) 'lightworkers' who dedicate their lives to serving the greater good still expect some kind of reward even if its not material.

[King and God]

Yes, that's completely true: both darkworkers and lightworkers strive for personal gratification. So altough it might sound really nice to the vast majority of people how someone gave food and water to starving kids in Africa, that person really did it to reach a state of satisfaction. Personally I would say I'm a darkworker, as my primary goal is to serve myself, and not wasting my time serving others.

[LucidDreamGod]

'lightworkers' who dedicate their lives to serving the greater good still expect some kind of reward even if its not material.[/b] I agree PS: I always get King and God mixed up with seeker their avatars are so much alike, at first glance.

[Ynot]

Sounds really pessimistic but I think we're all ultimately 'darkworkers', as most (all?) 'lightworkers' who dedicate their lives to serving the greater good still expect some kind of reward even if its not material.[/b] Deitical salvation

[M-Cat]

My philosophy is similar to Rand's, in that I sacrifice myself for no one, but do not allow myself to be sacrificed for. If you want an example of the dangers of living for other people, read one of her books like Anthem. In that book men are true "lightworkers," in that they do not seek "deitical salvation" but live only for other men.

[blade5x]

Definently dark worker right now. I need to get my job done in college, get my own life settled, then I will move over to the gray area (because I will always be serving myself, but you can do both at the same time).

[Neruo]

Hm, I already saw this topic, and found it , if I may be so bold, to be "hippy crap". However, I recently read some stuff about Buddhism. Isn't the Lightworker/Dayworker the same as the 'small vessel'/'large vessel' (or however it is translated from Dutch to English). Bottom line is, that if I recall correctly one is about helping yourself, the other about helping others. AM I RITE?

[LucidDreamGod]

Hm, I already saw this topic, and found it , if I may be so bold, to be "hippy crap". However, I recently read some stuff about Buddhism. Isn't the Lightworker/Dayworker the same as the 'small vessel'/'large vessel' (or however it is translated from Dutch to English). Bottom line is, that if I recall correctly one is about helping yourself, the other about helping others. AM I RITE?[/b] yes

[Neruo]

yes[/b] KEWL. But lets say one does not believe in enlightenment, or does not believe enlightenment works in such a way? No surprise so little people are Lightworkers or Darkworkers, you pretty much have to be Buddhist to be one. For instance, a real Jew or Muslim, isn't their religion about putting GOD first? Not yourself, not other people, but God. That makes them neither Lightworker, neither Darkworker. And also not neutral in my eyes. Concluding: Pretty much silly to classify people so polarized. To me, it is a bunch of silliness.

[juroara]

there is nothing wrong with a lightworker seeking self gratification, anymore than it is wrong to love yourself. you cant love someone else if you dont love yourself first - helping others doesnt work any different. how can you help others if you cant help yourself? what can a lightworker sacrafice if they have nothing to sacrafice? also, the term 'lightworker' comes from the spiritual community. and the in the spiritual community the spirit side of life is a joyfull life - therefore seeking joy in your own life is not a negetive, but a positive. living miserable is a 'wrong', as in the 'lightworker' world all humans deserve to know joy. the key difference here is they want to spread this joy, not keep it for themselves. 'lightworker' doesnt necessarily mean charity work either. like I said, this term originally came from the spiritual community. and in that community the persons spirit is more important than their life on earth. a 'lightworker' can simply be a 'lightworker' by praying for others or simply by making others around them positive. so many people are calling themselves darkworkers out of this strange notion that caring about yourself is 'dark'. youre only a darkworker if you only care about yourself, and even if you think this is who you are in most cases this simply isnt true. a lot of people care about others - lovers and children for example. most people are neither dark or light workers.

[Nathaniel]

i put lightworker. i try to better myself though, i think in doing so im betering the collective, any time i learn something new, it increases the odds of someone else also becoming aware of the same thing. also i consider myself a scientist, and have grand ideas for mechinery and other things that could possible, through rose colored glasses, help people to help themselves, and beter the world. i also try to never be mean to anyone i come across, i might act a bit harder depending on the way they act, but i wont just come at someone for no reason *needs a smily for sleep deprivation*

[Jeremysr]

I put God in the center of my life. He wants me to help other people as much as possible, focusing on others instead of myself. Also, how "good" my life is isn't important to me because I know how good my life will be after I die.

[Neruo]

I put God in the center of my life. He wants me to help other people as much as possible, focusing on others instead of myself. Also, how "good" my life is isn't important to me because I know how good my life will be after I die.[/b] Haha. Besides that, isn't god always more improtant then other people? :0

[Jeremysr]

Haha. Besides that, isn't god always more improtant then other people? :0[/b] Yeah that's what I meant when saying I put him in the center of my life. As a result of that I have become more loving and helpful of others instead of myself. Just like Jesus. (Although not as much as him.) And why laugh?

[Neruo]

Yeah that's what I meant when saying I put him in the center of my life. As a result of that I have become more loving and helpful of others instead of myself. Just like Jesus. (Although not as much as him.)[/b] So it is a side-effect? Sounds loving. And why laugh?[/b] Also, how "good" my life is isn't important to me because I know how good my life will be after I die.[/b] Because 'No'.

[LucidDreamGod]

I certainly wouldn't put that much faith in an afterlife but I'd guess that'd bring you happiness just thinking about it (not going to say what I think because this isn't the religious debate forum)