Thread: Global Warming- WTF PEOPLE!!!

Originally Posted by Neruo

Who ever said "temperature in Britain will go up" with global warming? Most of the time, people said "The (average) temperature of the earth will go up". Maybe people that didn't know what they were talking about said that kind of stuff about Britain. Hmmmmm? Maybe there are just a huge amount of idiots, on both side of the argument, spewing un-factual crap, and rush into taking wrong assumptions about global warming? :0

Jeez, where are you ever going to understand science?? The Britain getting colder hypothesis is merely a hypothesis. The fact is, nobody knows how saline the seas must be for the gulf steam to continue. It's all guesswork about things which might happen; nobody is asserting that they will.

The problem is, if Britain warms up, people blame GW. If Britain cools down, people blame GW. Both may be correct, but to simultaneously cite both as evidence is clearly idiotic, because that would mean whatever the climate here does, it would be 'evidence' for GW. This is what I'm saying is a ridiculous and dangerous position, and the question I keep asking is if you think it is ridiculous. But you keep missing the point and simply assert facts of which I'm already completely aware.

I know that global warming might cause certain special areas to become colder, or warm less. I also know that this might never happen, because turbulence is one of the great unsolved areas of physics, so anything involving ocean currents is most usually generalisations, and not quantitative statements. Thanks for trying to tell me about it, but it's not news to me, and I'm not refuting it. But that's not what I was talking about.

Originally Posted by Xei

Jeez, where are you ever going to understand science?? The Britain getting colder hypothesis is merely a hypothesis. The fact is, nobody knows how saline the seas must be for the gulf steam to continue. It's all guesswork about things which might happen; nobody is asserting that they will.

The problem is, if Britain warms up, people blame GW. If Britain cools down, people blame GW. Both may be correct, but to simultaneously cite both as evidence is clearly idiotic, because that would mean whatever the climate here does, it would be 'evidence' for GW. This is what I'm saying is a ridiculous and dangerous position, and the question I keep asking is if you think it is ridiculous. But you keep missing the point and simply assert facts of which I'm already completely aware.

I know that global warming might cause certain special areas to become colder, or warm less. I also know that this might never happen, because turbulence is one of the great unsolved areas of physics, so anything involving ocean currents is most usually generalisations, and not quantitative statements. Thanks for trying to tell me about it, but it's not news to me, and I'm not refuting it. But that's not what I was talking about.

Then what are you talking about? If global warming was called 'climate change', something that basically means the same thing, would you be whining? The fact of the matter is, is that any weird, unusual changes in climate are reasonably likely to have something to do with human activity. "oh my god it's warmer here" and "oh my god it's colder here" aren't negative, they can co-exists. The winter was exceptionally warm, the summer is exceptionally cold/rainy. What don't you get? Mellow temperatures, and more extreme rain, is actually what is predicted. Just because some people Think global warming is such a one sided-process "Oh my god's it's going to be warmer all the time now", probably just don't know what they are talking about. I don't see why you find what They say more interesting, than what scientists say.

Because really, what have scientists said that isn't correct?

You are just whining about something that is seemingly a paradox, since it is getting colder and warmer. But it all depends on season, location and stuff like that.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Then what are you talking about?

This:

The fact of the matter is, is that any weird, unusual changes in climate are reasonably likely to have something to do with human activity.

Because it's wrong. You're riding the hippie wagon. The sun's energy output fluctuates significantly. There have been many large volcanic eruptions in the past which have completely changed the climate. So has the introduction of organisms, and countless other things not in any way related to mankind.

We've hardly got any data reliable enough to know what's 'normal' for the climate in the first place. Like I said, variations are all based on convection and turbulence, which no scientists can make predictions about.

Originally Posted by Xei

You're riding the hippie wagon.

I am probably going to use that expression a lot in the future. It sums up so much with so few words. I have come to realize that too many people like the social image of "riding the hippie wagon" and jump on it first and figure out excuses second. That phenomenon is a huge problem.

Originally Posted by Xei

You're riding the hippie wagon. The sun's energy output fluctuates significantly. There have been many large volcanic eruptions in the past which have completely changed the climate. So has the introduction of organisms, and countless other things not in any way related to mankind.

The models climate scientists use to attempt to explain climate change factor all of this in. If they only model natural effects, the models don't come anywhere near reality. With anthropogenic factors included, the model is reasonably correct.

I'm sure in the past the climate has drastically changed based on natural effects, but that's not the case today.

We've hardly got any data reliable enough to know what's 'normal' for the climate in the first place. Like I said, variations are all based on convection and turbulence, which no scientists can make predictions about.

Paleoclimatology?

Originally Posted by ethen

Hey whoa, keep your pants on. Really, I’m flattered but I’m hardly qualified to make that diagnosis. No worries though, I’m sure you can find a proctologist that can answer that for you.

Or an Arborist.

Did you know that dihydrogen monoxide actually contributes 95% of greenhouse warming? We should try curbing our DHMO emissions instead!

Originally Posted by arby

Did you know that dihydrogen monoxide actually contributes 95% of greenhouse warming? We should try curbing our DHMO emissions instead!

Agreed. I propose we cut down on breathing by at least 85%, preferably by GW advocates (seeing as people should lead by example). That should solve many-a-problem.

Originally Posted by ethen

Agreed. I propose we cut down on breathing by at least 85%, preferably by GW advocates (seeing as people should lead by example). That should solve many-a-problem.

And all these freaks who want cars to be run by dihydrogen monoxide are just going to make it worse. All they do is release dihydrogen monoxide gas!!!

Originally Posted by awakened_mind

Every year, I hear about how humankind is sparking global warming (I'm sure you all know the details by know), and every year no one does shit. Us humans are so fucking stupid. Year after year, a documentary is created or an article is written and the whole human race figues out that we area all just setting our own fate. WTF! Why is nobody doing anything right now. I heard on History channel that we could be developing technology this very moment that will supress all the polution we're giving off, and that it will only take a few decades, AND WE'RE STILL DOING NOTHING. We should be banning fossel fuels. It doesn't matter how much the economy will be effected, we'll all fucking die unless we change our course of life completely, and I mean everyone. Even when every one of you hear this, you will all still do nothing. I understand that a few people are working on it, but this is the fate of our race here, and everyone should be working on it. By the time we DO realize that we are almost fucked, the beautiful ice caps will be completely gone. It has been estimated that the human evolution can last another 1/2- 1 billion years. well, that shit will end here and now unless all of us step up.

I think we're getting beside the point here (not you, dihydrogen monoxide people, that's hilarious). lets examine the facts/opinions presented, shall we?

Global warming, while occurring in natural cycle, seems to be speeding up due to human interference, i.e. greenhouse gases. If the ice caps melt, which could happen soon, it could disrupt the gulf stream and cool Europe. Global warming could be caused by the sun (at the same time humans are putting more greenhouse gases into the air as ever before? unlikely). Global warming could affect us or our children. One person cutting down emmissions won't have a significant impact on the environment, but everybody cutting down emmissions definately could. STOP REPEATING WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID
And lastly, who says we're not doing anything about it? We are researching and building cars with better milage or that cut CO2 emmisions to zero. We're finding more eco-friendly means of producing power. And don't tell me "oh we'll never actually get to use that stuff," because i doubt we would spent millions of dollars on these things just to try them out

did anyone here watch A Current Affair lastnight? It had to the the stupidest thing I've ever seen. They were talking about global warming and were showing trees setting on fire for no reason whatsoever. Then they started rambing on about great pockets of methane rising from the ocean, igniting and flying across the world, crashing into cities "with the force of an atomic bomb, ending all life on Earth as we know it". It was really quite sad

Originally Posted by musicman

I think we're getting beside the point here (not you, dihydrogen monoxide people, that's hilarious). lets examine the facts/opinions presented, shall we?

Global warming, while occurring in natural cycle, seems to be speeding up due to human interference, i.e. greenhouse gases. If the ice caps melt, which could happen soon, it could disrupt the gulf stream and cool Europe. Global warming could be caused by the sun (at the same time humans are putting more greenhouse gases into the air as ever before? unlikely). Global warming could affect us or our children. One person cutting down emmissions won't have a significant impact on the environment, but everybody cutting down emmissions definately could. STOP REPEATING WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID
And lastly, who says we're not doing anything about it? We are researching and building cars with better milage or that cut CO2 emmisions to zero. We're finding more eco-friendly means of producing power. And don't tell me "oh we'll never actually get to use that stuff," because i doubt we would spent millions of dollars on these things just to try them out

This is one of the best explainations of global warming I have heard in a long time. It is ad hominem free (...almost), and states facts. Although I am a nay-sayer when it comes to global warming destroying life, I wish more people could be as smug free as you

Sadly enough, I believe all the millions of dollars and effortgoing toward all this research could be a waste. Really, its too much to go into.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

This is one of the best explainations of global warming I have heard in a long time. It is ad hominem free (...almost), and states facts. Although I am a nay-sayer when it comes to global warming destroying life, I wish more people could be as smug free as you

Sadly enough, I believe all the millions of dollars and effortgoing toward all this research could be a waste. Really, its too much to go into.

Not to mention the fact that a lot of research is going in to things like ethanol which actually have the potential to put out more pollution that what we currently use.

What the companies investing in ethanol don't tell you is it currently (and will continue to do so until the laws of thermodynamics are abolished) takes more power to produce than is gained from burning it. Also, current ethanol production still relies heavily on fossil fuels and can never be a self sustaining industry. The reason why it is so popular is because it sounds like it is good for the environment to people who don't know much about it, and it doesn't require oil companies to change over to much of a new system, allowing them to still make money from the equipment they already have.

The average critic of global warming has as much knowledge on the subject as a critic of evolution.

The Earth goes through cycles but we are having a profound effect on our planet beyond what people perceive. The expect nature to be simple, almost willful. The funny thing is its complex and heavily intertwined together. A shift in balance in one area ripples across entire ecosystems. We are doing several things that's turning what would be a fluxuation into a sickness. By no means would the human population die, but our culture would certainly disappear, and that means about the same thing. Humans as we know them would cease to exist, our history would be wiped out, we would become completely insignificant. Our struggles, our accomplishments and all the lessons we learn will be nothing. Humans might carry a couple of myths over, actually.

Originally Posted by DoomedOne

The average critic of global warming has as much knowledge on the subject as a critic of evolution

You're right. I wish critics would learn more about the subject, they they can criticize global warming and actually understand why.

Originally Posted by DoomedOne

The average critic of global warming has as much knowledge on the subject as a critic of evolution.

The Earth goes through cycles but we are having a profound effect on our planet beyond what people perceive. The expect nature to be simple, almost willful. The funny thing is its complex and heavily intertwined together. A shift in balance in one area ripples across entire ecosystems. We are doing several things that's turning what would be a fluxuation into a sickness. By no means would the human population die, but our culture would certainly disappear, and that means about the same thing. Humans as we know them would cease to exist, our history would be wiped out, we would become completely insignificant. Our struggles, our accomplishments and all the lessons we learn will be nothing. Humans might carry a couple of myths over, actually.

Personally, I don't see this as such a bad thing. Human culture is stagnating and we might benefit from a catastrophic, cathartic experience.

If you want to understand social hysteria, this video will help...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ttLBqB0qDko

I'm a bit young for that... was there ever as much data supporting cooling as there is warming?

Originally Posted by spoon

I'm a bit young for that... was there ever as much data supporting cooling as there is warming?

a couple of scientists put forward a modelled prediction of what could happen, given certain assumptions, and people ran away with it

The modelled prediction itself was fairly well done, as far as it went
but did rely on these assumptions panning out, which they didn't

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

If you want to understand social hysteria, this video will help...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ttLBqB0qDko

My favorite part was "C02 causing forces decrease as C02 increases". I may be wrong, but I think the planet generally balances itself, and dramatic changes are leveling out. The planet used to be MUCH more chaotic, and seems to have leveled out. Even our most recent climate crisis, the Little Ice Age, was extremely minor compared to the other events in history.

I would like to what what global warming activists think is actually going to happen. Are temeratures going to go up, or down? The activists are a very clever group of people. They have made it so they can NEVER be wrong about global warming. If temperature goes up, they were right. If temperature goes down, they were right. Its a joke.

Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming

I would like to what what global warming activists think is actually going to happen. Are temeratures going to go up, or down? The activists are a very clever group of people. They have made it so they can NEVER be wrong about global warming. If temperature goes up, they were right. If temperature goes down, they were right. Its a joke.

Is there really any serious talk of global warming lowering temperatures? The actual science (very) strongly supports a rise in the global mean temperature. Why care what the activists say at all?

Because they're going to be so smug about it. No matter what happens (and some kind of change is bound to happen), any global warming activist is going to be free to say whatever they want.

"I told you so" is going to be a more popular phrase than "Coca Cola".

We have to save the icecaps so the polar bears can mate!