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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      Not true.

      One thing is no more alive then another.
      Then what's the definition for - what is the word alive used for? You change your view on this again, later on apparently.

      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      Intelligence is litte? Are you kidding me? Take a look at ASIMO!
      As it has been said, intelligence is a subjective viewpoint. It's view changes with comparisons: smart for a robot; stupid for a living thing.


      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      Yes.



      No. Your hard drive cannot retrieve or utilize information, merely store.

      But your computing device as a whole is alive.
      If you are going to argue this, you may as well include that the computer is not living apart from its power supply.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Holiace View Post
      I forgot the main thing: It must be able to learn on it's own. Self learning. and non dependent on humans to survive.
      by the definition of self learning, nearly half of all organic life on earth would not be alive - every tree, every insect on earth is non-living

      you guys really need to look at organic life as a whole and see the common characteristics information retrieval IS important

      higher conscious living things retrieve information through memories

      lower conscious living things retrieve information only through DNA (instinct).

      all live however, reacts to the environment and practices self-preservation

      computers don't react to the environment, they simply do what we program them to do. computers don't practice self-preservation, they only practice self-preservation if we make them practice it.

      when a computer responds to the environment and practices self-preservation without the intervention of a human giving commands - then we can begin to talk about it being alive

      heres a good example. when your computer searches the net for an anti-virus program and downloads it without you knowing or asking, and without a third party human behind the strings. yes, this mechanism could have already been built in and programmed in a computer by a human early on - but it still counts - after all primitive is ruled by their own programming in DNA

      again, humans are more interested when machines show forms of higher consciousness. and I don't think we are going to see this in machines any time soon, because science lacks understanding of consciousness to begin with.

      it requires free will. the ability to choose to learn from something, or even, to choose not to learn.

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      Quote Originally Posted by juroara View Post
      by the definition of self learning, nearly half of all organic life on earth would not be alive - every tree, every insect on earth is non-living
      Adaptation is 'self learning'. Are you saying that trees do not adapt?

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      Yes robots are alive. The definition of alive is anything with a function.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Dreamworld View Post
      Yes robots are alive. The definition of alive is anything with a function.
      No its not. Nothing has an intrinsic function, (or everything does; those are the only two options)

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