Thread: The Solution to All of Lifes Problems

Suicide.

What do you think...?

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You're right, but that solution also deprives you from all of life's potential.

Wrong it is sex.

Terrible proposal. Suicide is a problem all in it's own.

I disagree. It only "solves" the problems of the person who commits suicide (not including if they go to Hell, but that's a different argument), yet causes problems with those he/she left behind. Unless you've lived your whole life away from people, thus forming no relationships at all, someone will miss you. Also, there most likely will be hospital/funeral/burial/travel (for those attending the funeral/memorial service)/etc. costs.

I find suicide to be a very selfish decision. It affects everyone and only shows that that person gave up. I understand how bad people have it and how dark and sad and lonely and painful their lives can be, but there is always a way out.

Selfishness is irrelevant. You're dead. I agree with the OP in that it is technically a solution, but it's sort of the trivial solution, to use a math term.

Originally Posted by Amethyst Star

I disagree. It only "solves" the problems of the person who commits suicide (not including if they go to Hell, but that's a different argument), yet causes problems with those he/she left behind. Unless you've lived your whole life away from people, thus forming no relationships at all, someone will miss you. Also, there most likely will be hospital/funeral/burial/travel (for those attending the funeral/memorial service)/etc. costs.

I find suicide to be a very selfish decision. It affects everyone and only shows that that person gave up. I understand how bad people have it and how dark and sad and lonely and painful their lives can be, but there is always a way out.

Originally Posted by Sandform

A solution in the same way that mass genocide is a solution...

Is there a such thing as non-mass genocide?

You guys are not quite grasping the full extent.

If your suicide is causing emotional harm to others, then what would solve those problems for them? Suicide.

The end result is that death solves all problems. Literally.

I am also just being a philosophical smart-ass. Any humanistic existentialist would slap me and I think you guys agree that taking advantage of this spark of consciousness is what we ought to do rather than focus on how to remove problems.

I simply want to see peoples reactions.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

You guys are not quite grasping the full extent.

If your suicide is causing emotional harm to others, then what would solve those problems for them? Suicide.

The end result is that death solves all problems. Literally.

I am also just being a philosophical smart-ass. Any humanistic existentialist would slap me and I think you guys agree that taking advantage of this spark of consciousness is what we ought to do rather than focus on how to remove problems.

I simply want to see peoples reactions.

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I wouldn't slap you. Actually, no existential humanist would slap you for this line of thought. Think about it, humanism is about the sanctity of humanity and existentialism is essentially about making life what you want it to be. If you feel the need to kill yourself, no existential humanist will stop you. We will tell you whatever opinion we have of suicide but we won't "drive it home". Why? Because it's your choice (existentialism).

It's not an answer, it's giving up on the question.

Originally Posted by Xei

It's not an answer, it's giving up on the question.

What question?

Originally Posted by Brainchild

I wouldn't slap you. Actually, no existential humanist would slap you for this line of thought. Think about it, humanism is about the sanctity of humanity and existentialism is essentially about making life what you want it to be. If you feel the need to kill yourself, no existential humanist will stop you. We will tell you whatever opinion we have of suicide but we won't "drive it home". Why? Because it's your choice (existentialism).

Well said.

Although, being a humanistic existentialist myself, I feel like slapping myself for playing with these ideas. It does expose peoples views of life and brings to exposure the idea of death.

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Originally Posted by Xei

It's not an answer, it's giving up on the question.

Second that.

I don't see it as a solution...

Originally Posted by O'nus

You guys are not quite grasping the full extent.

Actually I was making the point that it is a non-solution. A solution implies fixing something...however suicide fixes nothing.

For example your hand is burned so you cut off your arm. You've removed the "problem" but it has not fixed anything.

Removing problems is not the same thing as solving a problem.

If (for you) the solution to a problem is removing it, instead of fixing the problem, then sure, suicide is a solution. For some people suicide really is the only solution.

But I'm sure that you would logically agree that someone with social anxiety hasn't "solved" his/her problem by avoiding people.

Or if you were building a machine and something isn't going right...so you through the whole machine away.

Suicide is a permanent solution for a temporary problem.

Originally Posted by O'nus

You guys are not quite grasping the full extent.

If your suicide is causing emotional harm to others, then what would solve those problems for them? Suicide.

The end result is that death solves all problems. Literally.

Hard to argue with that logic. But with all of humanity now dead, do not problems still exist apart from human-kind? Forest fires, diseases, floods, survival of the fittest between all living organisms. Sure, you would not be around to face those problems, but they still exist, depending on how you view the "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it..." scenario.

Would not death be solution to "life's problems," rather than suicide? The act of suicide, in itself, creates a new problem: "I am dying."

Also, there's always the mystery behind what comes after death. I don't desire to argue whether or not there is life after death, but am presenting the possibility that death does not ultimately solve all problems.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Suicide.

What do you think...?

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It is a "solution", although not a very advantageous one (take it from someone who's been there and done that.)

A solution in the same way that mass genocide is a solution...

Is there a such thing as non-mass genocide?

Originally Posted by O'nus

Suicide.

What do you think...?

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Ego-death. Not suicide.

Epic fail ftw?

Originally Posted by really

Ego-death. Not suicide.

Kill your ego-self and spiritual self.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Kill your ego-self and spiritual self.

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Kill......

LoL

Meaningless meanings

Falling

Dropping

Yeah. If you commit suicide, you do not overcome karma. If your ego dies, you overcome karma.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Kill your ego-self and spiritual self.

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Don't be silly.

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Originally Posted by really

Yeah. If you commit suicide, you do not overcome karma. If your ego dies, you overcome karma.

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Are you sure? Have you done either? Don't believe everything you read in books. Enlightenment is most likely a path without a guide.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Are you sure? Have you done either? Don't believe everything you read in books. Enlightenment is most likely a path without a guide.

I can tell the difference through abstraction. I can explain also, if you want. But words are limited.

Cloud!

Originally Posted by O'nus

Kill your ego-self and spiritual self.

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KA-ZING.

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Suicide really has the image of being all terrible all-around. In some cases, if it's thought out well, some people might just be better off being dead.

It's really strange that in hardly any country you are 'given', by the state, the right to decide over your own body and your own life. (How could they really pretend to take away that right anyway..)

Thus. Suicide. I ain't doing it, but people should have the freedom to do it (with dignity), if it solves their problems.