Thread: Immortality..?

But..

I still don't understand why life is so sweet, when it just dies, and goes away.

I would like to enjoy it forever, but can't.
All good things must come to an end, but why?

(Don't Fear) The Reaper
All our times have come
Here but now they're gone
Seasons don't fear the reaper
Nor do the wind, the sun or the rain
We can be like they are

- Blue Oyster Cult

I see..

But how does one not fear death?

Originally Posted by EchoSun13

I see..

But how does one not fear death?

Ensure that this/your life is sufficiently full and hold your attention there,

not allowing the fear of death to paralyze you.


"It is this sadness of wasted life which probably he will be aware of only at the moment of his death - and then it will be too late."
- J. Krishnamurti

Ill try, thanks.

I still say life is an unfair game.

"And you, who've chosen to love a god. I think that you will find the romance rather one sided."

"You mock the gods!"

"What of Ares, who blankets his bed with the skin of the men he's killed?"

"All the gods are to be feared and repected..."

"I know more of the gods than you or your priests. You want to know a secret? Something that you won't learn in the temple? The gods envy 'us.' Because we are mortal. Everything is more beautiful, because we are doomed."
~~~

At any rate, that's the curse and beauty of mortal life. I think that there is an afterlife, a different level of conciousness. But seperate from this one.

Originally Posted by really

These things are true; more can be realized by releasing the grasp of the human ego; which, since is dominated by linear time, precludes the experience of the (nonlinear) timeless context.

I think we finally totally agree on something.

Although, I would say that you probably have to die before experiencing this plane of existance. It is not feasible to say that such an intangible realm can be experienced by a phenomenological being such as us.

What about you..?

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Originally Posted by O'nus

I think we finally totally agree on something.

Although, I would say that you probably have to die before experiencing this plane of existance. It is not feasible to say that such an intangible realm can be experienced by a phenomenological being such as us.

What about you..?

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Well, experience is intangible.

It is true that you will have to die to experience "higher realms" in total fullness, which are actually the substrate/context for the lower ones. This is merely ego-death, yet for what this entails - "heaven" is nowhere else outside Reality/life. However, in the path of surrender, occasionally, spontaneous revelations may occur.

What about me? As this ego loses its grip, spiritual understandings begin to arise spontaneously and effortlessly. Awareness of experience itself increases, as with happiness and peace, while major life/world-view paradigm shifts take place. Here's just one example of one of "my personal" experiences:

At some stage, my thinking, worrying and pondering slowly diminished. Suddenly, I think, non-verbally - (something like) "Where in all of forever can this experience of life be but with mySelf?" In a few seconds, time stops. But I realize that only my assumption of time itself stopped, as I had spontaneously stopped the mental chatter in my head. There I was, in the Eternal moment, the context of Timelessness. It felt like I had unknowingly been sliding uncontrollably on ice for my entire life, and then suddenly I decided to stop. Finally I was truly living in the Now, not assuming/thinking about past or future. Now is All there Is! I was very present, very close with everything I was aware of. Consequently, all of the world around "me" was shining vividly, as in a powerful lucid dream. I mean "shining" as in self-radiant and beautiful, all was explosive in being just what it was. Not the "2d vivid", it was "3d" ultradepth vividness or something... The leaves of the trees falling effortlessly, birds shooting around... It was bliss.

The timeless, eternal moment also revealed that the presumed "I" was just an inherent assumption of the dualistic ego. In fullness, the real "me", is one with the entirety of all that exists. In this state timelessness, the ego was temporarily blanked out with awe, and "my" body became as perfect and indifferent as the nearby trees. There, a smile appeared on "my" face - and it lasted forever. I watched a guy walk by in the distance, yet he was right with me! It was an epic, inner silence...

Although, in abstract, the experience probably lasted about 15 seconds, its impact has not left me at all.

How can you put a time limit on something that is timeless and eternal..?

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We just can, Life is timeless, yet it ends for all of us.

Originally Posted by EchoSun13

We just can,

How?

Life is timeless, yet it ends for all of us.

What is life? Is it external of my body?

Further, how can a time contrived being measure an immeasurable thing?

It's a direct contradiction.

~

Originally Posted by O'nus

How?



What is life? Is it external of my body?

Further, how can a time contrived being measure an immeasurable thing?

It's a direct contradiction.

~

I don't fully understand how either,

Life..well life to me, is learning and growing, to prepare for something we can't, but I wish we could, escape.
Death.

Originally Posted by O'nus

How can you put a time limit on something that is timeless and eternal..?

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As I said, in abstract. The ego; the mind; the intellect. We put limits of things because we think they're limited.

Originally Posted by really

As I said, in abstract. The ego; the mind; the intellect. We put limits of things because we think they're limited.

Just to clarify.. you are saying that your physical body, right now, can experience a timeless state..?

~

Originally Posted by O'nus

Just to clarify.. you are saying that your physical body, right now, can experience a timeless state..?

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Yes.

A body without consiousness/substrate of subjectivity is essentially dead, in this way we are truly not our bodies, but their spirit. The physical body on its own, again, would be nothing.

Originally Posted by really

Yes.

A body without consiousness/substrate of subjectivity is essentially dead.

So.. you were dead?

Edit to your edit:

Ohhh... I see you are about to try and define the self and what the mind is.. no?

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Originally Posted by O'nus

So.. you were dead?

Edit to your edit:

Ohhh... I see you are about to try and define the self and what the mind is.. no?

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You could say the mind is dying..

The Self is essentially the universe, but that is an R/S topic. The ego/mind is part with the body, but without consciousness nothing would be.

Me too.

Originally Posted by Reality_is_a_Dream

Me too.

It has been said.

Reality is a dream, me too.



Words made for humor!

Originally Posted by Neruo

Theory:

What we experience as our 'mind' is caused directly by processes in our physical brain. If the brain shuts down permanently, we die. No non-physical 'soul' survives.

Cons:
-It's not a happy-happy rainbow-heaven theory, since it doesn't allow for you grandparents being still existing.
-It might take a base level of knowledge of the brain to really understand the theory.
-You have to drop some dogmatic anthropocentric assumptions about absolute values and human uniqueness.

Pros:
-You don't have to invent immaterial entities for which there is no reason and that only collide with what we Do certainly know about the physical universe.
-You have a great majority of the scientific and academic community agreeing with you.
-It's true.

the man speaks the truth

-You don't have to invent immaterial entities for which there is no reason and that only collide with what we Do certainly know about the physical universe.

You shouldn't straw man theist by referring to an inherency of them going agianst science. It's not true.

Good bye all, I liked all the points I heard, and I say..you are all very smart.

Live good lives.