Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Perhaps that is not always true.
It is.
Devil's advocate there. I am convinced that 1 = 0.999..., and my part in this thread isn't about whether or not the two figures are equal. I am just saying that it is a paradox that has not been completely explained.
But it isn't a paradox. It's just an alternate way of writing '1'. They are equal, and you can use them interchangeably.
What is 0.00000...1? The figure suggests that there is something on the other side of infinity. Does it not? It definitely suggests that there is something, which is not nothing. That is part of the paradox. Yes, your math is accurate, but notice the paradox.
It's a reversed pattern of 0.10... It means infinite amount of zeros and then a '1'. Which makes it zero BECAUSE there is nothing on the other side of infinity.
You are just reasserting your conclusion and not dissecting the paradox. I am calling into question certain aspects of the fact that the two figures are equal, not asking you to state again that they are equal. Telling me that one is a way of writing the other adds nothing to your conversation with me except a reassertion of the fact that I am trying to dissect.
Then you might as well dissect why the numbers .5 and 1/2 are the same number.
You can't give me any explanation other than they are interchangable and their values are equal, and then I could go on to say that there must then be some mystical 'other kind' of number that determines true value, right?
Well, no. There isn't. They're the same because they are equivalent. They are two representations of the same value, that is it.
The border has no width, yet it is a border. The border between the rectangles is just as wide as the border between 0.999... and 1?
Devil's advocate again.
No, there is no border. They aren't two rectangles sharing a side, they're a rectangle that's been labelled twice.
You are now officially on my troll watch list.
Just in case you or somebody else STILL doesn't get the paradox, I will explain it another way. And I am not calling into question whether the two figures are equal, so don't waste your time by telling me they are just two ways of writing the same number. That fact is exactly what I am trying to explain, not counter. Understand?
No, because this is math and ultimate truth in it is represented by using itself to demonstrate that something works.
As long as you can show that x = y, then it is true. There is nothing else here to look at.
Okay, imagine the number 0.999... written on a piece of paper that goes forever. With every next digit, the number represented up to that digit is a little closer to 1. So how far along the number is there a point when the digits up to that point equal 1? A trillion light years? Quadrillion to the octillionth power light years? It never happens, ever, obviously.
Exactly. They aren't they same way of writing the number, obviously. They both represent the same value. 0.9... Will never 'become' 1, but it is of the same value as 1, because that's how maths works.
Infinity has no end. So the number can never reach 1, ever. Right? So the stretched out number that never can possibly get to 1 gets to 1 because that is the number that the entire number is. It can't reach 1, but it reaches 1.
Considering the very specific issue I have raised, why are the two figures representative of the same number, which they are? And please don't tell me what a converging geometric series is. That is the very thing I am calling into question.
You aren't getting it.
.9... DOESN"T reach one. It isn't 1. It's .9... However, they both represent the same value.
This is the same reason that 1/2 never 'becomes' 2/4 or 2-2 1/4.
They are the same, again, because:
1. there are no boundaries between the numbers on a number line
2. they represent the same value
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