Thread: December 21, 2012.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

The 2012 date has nothing to do with the Gregorian calendar. It's the end of the current Long Count, a 5000+ year cycle of the Mesoamerican calendar system refined by the Mayans, essentially an uber-Millenium. The significance of the start date, August 11 (or possibly 13th) of 3114 B.C. by our calendar, is unknown, though it seems to correspond to when the Mayans' ancestors were 'given' writing and the calendar system. Whether it's significant (or the calendar makers had any idea) that the end occurs on a solstice, and a solstice when the Sun and Earth will be aligned with the heart of the Milky Way within the galactic plane (as we are for about 1000 out of the 26,000-odd winter solstices of a precessional cycle) is likewise unknown.

Thanks for that. Does this have anything to do with the Sun exploding? Because that is also what I heard about 2012. It will die out. lol

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Get one thing straight before you talk about the Mayan connection with new ager's. There is no connection. For a smart man you sure don't know a lot .

lmao...

Originally Posted by really

Thanks for that. Does this have anything to do with the Sun exploding? Because that is also what I heard about 2012. It will die out. lol

That theory sounds like a "what if..." game gotten out of hand. There's also the "Timeship Earth" theory, the most New Age version I've heard: the Mayan Jaguar Priests were in contact with extradimensional beings that literally gave them the calendar and written language, and the mysterious "disappearance" of Mayan civilization is due to all of them heading off into space. The turn of the Long Count, according to these folks, marks the day the earth will come back into contact with the extradimensional beings to move on to our next stage of evolution, if we are ready. Basically, it's Arthur C. Clarke's book Childhood's End, plus Jaguar Priests.

Expecting the end of the world is in keeping with Mayan beliefs, though. They considered their world the fourth or fifth draft of reality, and believed that every 52 years the gods put it up for revision.

What gets my attention is the significance of Dec. 21 2012 to human civilization. The period of the Long Count corresponds pretty closely to the worldwide advent of writing, mathematics, and detailed calendars. If we mark the Precessional New Year, the past precession encompasses agricultural civilization. The solstice, too, is when we celebrate renewal and rebirth, light coming to the world.

It does seem like we're approaching some sort of zero point in a tightening spiral of history. We find our selves in an Information Age embedded in an Atomic/Space Age embedded in an Industrial Era embedded in a Renaissance/Enlightenment embedded in an Imperial Age embedded in a Common Era within the Long Count within the Precessional Year. How much tighter can the spiral turn?

Originally Posted by really

Thanks for that. Does this have anything to do with the Sun exploding? Because that is also what I heard about 2012. It will die out. lol

No, it will die out in 5 billions(5'000'000'000) years from now.

The Sun is expected to become a red giant approximately 5 billion years from now. It is calculated that the Sun will become sufficiently large to engulf the current orbits of the solar system's inner planets, up to Earth, and its radius will expand to a minimum of 200 times its current value. The Sun will lose a significant fraction of its mass in the process of becoming a red giant, and there is a chance that Mars and all the outer planets will escape as their resulting orbits will widen. Mercury and most likely Venus will have been swallowed by sun's outer layer at this time. Earth's fate is less clear. Earth could technically achieve a widening of its orbit and could potentially maintain a sufficiently high angular velocity to keep it from becoming engulfed. In order to do so, its orbit needs to increase to between 1.3 AU (190,000,000 km) and 1.7 AU (250,000,000 km). However the results of studies announced in 2008 show that due to tidal interaction between sun and Earth, Earth would actually fall back into a lower orbit, and get engulfed and incorporated inside the sun before the sun reaches its largest size, despite the sun losing about 38% of its mass. Before this happens, Earth's biosphere will have long been destroyed by the Sun's steady increase in brightness as its hydrogen supply dwindles and its core contracts, even before the transition to a Red Giant. After just over 1 billion years, the extra solar energy input will cause Earth's oceans to evaporate and the hydrogen from the water to be lost permanently to space, with total loss of water by 3 billion years. Earth's atmosphere and lithosphere will become like that of Venus. Over another billion years, most of the atmosphere will get lost in space as well; ultimately leaving Earth as a desiccated, dead planet with a surface of molten rock.

Originally Posted by esfx

They didn't understand precession at all. They saw a cycle and recorded it. Understanding precession means understanding gravity and angular momentum, in the mathematical sense. And that requires calculus.



Bullshit. Name one thing.



So now you're no longer claiming that 2012 will be so significant that almost everyone will immediately recognize this fact? Yes or no?

You act like anyone can walk outside look at the stars and predict when the solstice is coming on that...

I have no idea, it's not bullshit.. None of us lived back then, and as I've said 5 thousand times.. How many times have information and knowledge been burned and destroyed.. The multiple times at the library of Alexandria is just to name one incident.

The ancients are who started us in this direction, had the caveman not invented the wheel... We would have a hard time inventing a car.

You just write them off as pointless when they are probably more important in the progression of technology than half the shit we've figured out recently.. I mean knowing about the planets is great and all but it doesn't keep us alive like the person who figured out how to start a fire.

If I had clear vivid memories of the past and what the Egyptians knew, I'd gladly give you some details. While I'm sure some of their ideas were wrong... I wouldn't be surprised if lots of our ideas are wrong.

I look at the Ancient world and their grasp of true art, and beautiful buildings and then I look at our lame concrete monoliths and honestly I'm just disappointed.. I bet if you fly a plane into a pyramid it won't collapse down.

Why do you believe this so strongly? Why are you so keen to diminish the accomplishments of this generation? Do you buy into the Mayan New Age nonsense or something?

I just want an example of something these people had knowledge about which we don't

Because I understand where we came from, without our ancestors we wouldn't have any of the technology we have today. You people seem to buy technological advancements as knowledge, I think it's just a way to pass the time..

Ohh internet, ohh TV.. In the long run they are unimportant when compared to other things that helped us survive so strongly to this point. I have no idea what knowledge they have, I haven't spent enough of my life studying their discoveries.. Or as I've said... How many empires have been conquered?

I am keen to diminish the accomplishments of this generation, because every generation always thinks its the most superior.. The ones after us... Will say the same about us...

I on the other hand understand, without those that came before us.. Our inventions would be impossible and insignificant.

I'll see if I can't google something they discovered... Obviously we would have built off it by now.... If it wasn't lost...
So giving you information they had that we don't is impossible.

I PRESENT YOU:

Institute for Human Continuity

Get one thing straight before you talk about the Mayan connection with new ager's. There is no connection. For a smart man you sure don't know a lot

Mayanism:
Mayanism is a term coined to cover a non-codified eclectic collection of New Age beliefs, influenced in part by Pre-Columbian Maya mythology and some folk beliefs of the modern Maya peoples. Adherents of this belief system are not to be confused with Mayanists, scholars who research the historical Maya civilization.

Uhuh.

By the way, in English, you pluralise by putting an s on the end of the word.

Originally Posted by Xei

Uhuh.

By the way, in English, you pluralise by putting an s on the end of the word.

Riiiight..

For now...I'm going to disregard the presumptuous notion that you know more about Mayans than I do. Anyway...grammatically speaking, thanks for the tip captain correction. And by the way, I'm not sure where you got that definition from so I'm asking you to show your source. And for what it's worth, mayanism is a culture that predated new age beliefs. Therefore categorizing Mayans, their culture and beliefs as new-agey (yes, like that y on the end? ) is inaccurate.

Edit: You might as well throw Christianity and every other religion into the new age pot. I could care less either way.

Originally Posted by esfx

So now you're no longer claiming that 2012 will be so significant that almost everyone will immediately recognize this fact? Yes or no?

I never claimed that, or the opposite. I said it interests me.

For now...I'm going to disregard the presumptuous notion that you know more about Mayans than I do. Anyway...grammatically speaking, thanks for the tip captain correction. And by the way, I'm not sure where you got that definition from so I'm asking you to show your source. And for what it's worth, mayanism is a culture that predated new age beliefs. Therefore categorizing Mayans, their culture and beliefs as new-agey (yes, like that y on the end? ) is inaccurate.

I used the first Google result, which was Wikipedia. :3

And obviously the Mayans themselves weren't 'New Age', they lived thousands of years ago. But the modern resurfacing of their calendar and all these beliefs that it was magical and that the end of the Mayan calendar means a new era for humanity is definitely a New Age idea.

Mayan newagers? WTF!!!! new age means new, not tens of thousands of years old. I guess it's OK to clump everything you disagree with as "new age" to make it seem less creditible or something.

THE APOCALYPSE IS UPON US!!!! GRAB SOME WAFFLES AND FLEE TO MARS!!! jk

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

No, it will die out in 5 billions(5'000'000'000) years from now.

Yes! And our Sun hasn't even shown any growth of becoming even slightly like a Red Giant (the stages of a stars life), let alone exploding altogether.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

That theory sounds like a "what if..." game gotten out of hand. There's also the "Timeship Earth" theory, the most New Age version I've heard: the Mayan Jaguar Priests were in contact with extradimensional beings that literally gave them the calendar and written language, and the mysterious "disappearance" of Mayan civilization is due to all of them heading off into space. The turn of the Long Count, according to these folks, marks the day the earth will come back into contact with the extradimensional beings to move on to our next stage of evolution, if we are ready. Basically, it's Arthur C. Clarke's book Childhood's End, plus Jaguar Priests.

Yeah, the bold - it's totally obvious to me as an astral concept. People who are concerned or part of the Astral realm are likely to talk about strange multidimensional beings and aliens, UFO's and other outlandish things.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

There's also the "Timeship Earth" theory, the most New Age version I've heard: the Mayan Jaguar Priests were in contact with extradimensional beings that literally gave them the calendar and written language, and the mysterious "disappearance" of Mayan civilization is due to all of them heading off into space.

I'm not positive, but i think i heard on the history channel that the Maya where taken-over by the Aztec, which is why they have the same calender. then the Aztects died and thus the Maya died. not a mysterious disappearance into space.

I'm pretty fine living with telling myself "oh, well, I got at least 2 years left to live, I can have plenty of sex before I die"

therefore, I am not afraid of doomsday

p.s. fuck the mayans and nostradamus, stupid niggas think they can tell the future

http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t07.htm
http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p00.htm

Something to think about.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

Um, what alternate-history timeline are you posting from? I suspect one where Her Majesty's Royal Brain was preserved using advances in steam power and suppressed alchemical research, postponing the end of the Victorian Age indefinitely.

What? Not at all, actually. Are you trying to tell me that the Mayans were not pagans? Well, their priests WERE called "Mayan Pagan Priests". Also, around the time period of the Mayans, there were all sorts of other "cults" living around that area. One cult, a SUN GOD WORSHIPING cult, took up this theory as well as another where if they stopped sacrificing their opposing "cults" in their "cult wars" then the world would end, too. Like I said, this has relatively no connection to Christians out there other than Christians were the people who FIGURED OUT that the pagans had this belief. Therefor, its probably warped a bit because Christians of that time period were definitely NOT impartial towards other religions, especially ones with different beliefs then them. By the way, Her Majesty's Royal Brain was preserved using coal power, dummy!

-Geeome

for christians: is the rapture before or after the apocalypse?

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

I PRESENT YOU:

Institute for Human Continuity

Owned by Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc. That website is a hoax designed to plug an upcoming disaster movie based around the 2012 predictions. There is no truth to it.

Rat: Pig just made sense, the Apocalypse has come

Pig: Yay, yay, yay! Wait, what's an Apocalypse?

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Owned by Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc. That website is a hoax designed to plug an upcoming disaster movie based around the 2012 predictions. There is no truth to it.

I already knew that, just wanted to see if anyone bought it.

i doubt anyone did

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

I PRESENT YOU:

Institute for Human Continuity

I PRESENT YOU: LMFAO