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      -What is the Earth's planetary frequency?
      -What are the first 3 dimensions?
      -By extension, what is the 4th dimension?
      -What precisely is an astral realm?
      -What is meant by mind power?
      -How can a population evolve in about a tenth of the time it takes for one generation to reproduce?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      -What is the Earth's planetary frequency?
      -What are the first 3 dimensions?
      -By extension, what is the 4th dimension?
      -What precisely is an astral realm?
      -What is meant by mind power?
      -How can a population evolve in about a tenth of the time it takes for one generation to reproduce?
      I can't really answer all of your questions lol. You do have google on your browser right?

      As for astral realm, here is an explanation of it. http://www.rickrichards.com/astral/Astral1.html

      I'm not saying i completely believe in this, but its an interesting read.


      Basically, astral realm is a level of existence/consciousness/awareness or whatever you want to call it, that vibrates at a higher frequency than this physical world we perceive with 5 senses. And in the astral realm, thoughts are way more powerful.

      I chose to give you that link because i know it has a lot of scientific stuff to read, and i know thats what you might like. Since a lot of people on this site like proof. Its not 100% proof, but it tries to explain it in an scientific way i guess. I've only read the first page, didn't even know there was a second page, so i'll read the rest of it.

      And your last question, i didn't mean evolve completely in one day, i mean it would strike the evolution of our species in some way. By the way, this is something i read too, so im not saying like i completely 100% believe in it. But its just something to think about with an open mind.

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      I can't really answer all of your questions lol. You do have google on your browser right?
      My point is just that you are saying things that have no meaning. All I was asking was what you actually meant... you don't seem to know.
      Basically, astral realm is a level of existence/consciousness/awareness or whatever you want to call it, that vibrates at a higher frequency than this physical world we perceive with 5 senses. And in the astral realm, thoughts are way more powerful.
      Reality doesn't vibrate.
      And your last question, i didn't mean evolve completely in one day, i mean it would strike the evolution of our species in some way. By the way, this is something i read too, so im not saying like i completely 100% believe in it. But its just something to think about with an open mind.
      An open mind is of course incredibly valuable, but you have to learn to be critical and filter out the nonsense.

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      If the 21st of December, 2012 does NOT happen, then we have a bit of a problem. It means that for the first time ever, we'll have globally acknowledged that our calendar has skipped a day. We've never gone from the 20th to the 22nd without having the 21st right in between...






      See wut I did thar? Undeniable proof that Dec 21, 2012 will happen. The days must go in order.
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      The funny thing is the changes aren't going to be all of a sudden... smack dab on December 21, 2012 you aren't gonna walk outside your door and say. What a new world we live in... things have been slowly changing for the last 50 something years... We are just reaching a culmination, what are we culminating, conjuring if you will? That's up for you to decide.

      We are working towards a more peaceful world, a more empathetic world. That's the most basic understanding of the zodiacal age shift, the end of the mayan long count, it also mentions that aquarian times are involved with "psychic" things, but I won't preach that since we all know some people won't believe in them.

      P.S. Invadertech is right.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      Reality doesn't vibrate.
      Sure it does. Reality as we perceive it is for the most part an illusion. For example, the distance from the nucleus of an atom to its first ring of electrons is proportional (approximately) to the distance from the head of a pin sitting in the middle of a football stadium to the furthest bleacher. This means that the physical world is mostly empty space. That means that our perception of physical reality is literally an illusion to our senses.

      You take this fact, and couple it with Quantum Mechanics' theory of the behavior of electrons (that says electrons behave as both waves and particles), and you are left with the assumption that reality is really just one, interconnected, vibrating principle that has different manifestations across the electromagnetic spectrum.

      Now, this is all theory. The experiments that this theory is based off of may in fact be invalid. When measuring things as small as atoms, it's entirely possible that there is experimental error we don't even know about. But the current science points towards some web of reality that is nothing like what we perceive. Like we are comparable to molecules of H20 within the ocean -- we appear separate but we can prove empirically that we're all connected and moving within waves.

      I don't know how this connects with 2012. Personally, I think that 2012 and this new era of change has everything to do with the intelligence revolution. Previously, Humankind would manipulate the earth and the environment to serve its purpose. We've learned that this has serious negative consequences (Global Warming, Nuclear weaponry, etc etc). But now, we are learning to consciously co-create, to build in harmony with the environment through chemical and environmental engineering. I think of this IBM commercial:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w70c4E-wURU

      No longer are we taking advantage of nature, raping it for our purposes without a thought for long term consequences -- we're using the qualities that set us apart from animals (our ability for mathematics and abstract, analytical thought) to create a better, more sustainable planet.

      Assuming that we won't experience some kind of mystical revolution or some sort of psychic flowering where we can time travel and move objects with our minds, I think that this Intelligence Revolution is the closest match to the Mayan "higher consciousness" we will experience.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DeathCell View Post
      That's of course because it's just the switching of one zodiacal age to another..

      The answers in the stars whether us mortals choose to ignore them or not.
      Lol, and the stars does not die?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Silence Dogood View Post
      Sure it does. Reality as we perceive it is for the most part an illusion. For example, the distance from the nucleus of an atom to its first ring of electrons is proportional (approximately) to the distance from the head of a pin sitting in the middle of a football stadium to the furthest bleacher. This means that the physical world is mostly empty space. That means that our perception of physical reality is literally an illusion to our senses.

      You take this fact, and couple it with Quantum Mechanics' theory of the behavior of electrons (that says electrons behave as both waves and particles), and you are left with the assumption that reality is really just one, interconnected, vibrating principle that has different manifestations across the electromagnetic spectrum.

      Now, this is all theory. The experiments that this theory is based off of may in fact be invalid. When measuring things as small as atoms, it's entirely possible that there is experimental error we don't even know about. But the current science points towards some web of reality that is nothing like what we perceive. Like we are comparable to molecules of H20 within the ocean -- we appear separate but we can prove empirically that we're all connected and moving within waves.

      I don't know how this connects with 2012. Personally, I think that 2012 and this new era of change has everything to do with the intelligence revolution. Previously, Humankind would manipulate the earth and the environment to serve its purpose. We've learned that this has serious negative consequences (Global Warming, Nuclear weaponry, etc etc). But now, we are learning to consciously co-create, to build in harmony with the environment through chemical and environmental engineering. I think of this IBM commercial:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w70c4E-wURU

      No longer are we taking advantage of nature, raping it for our purposes without a thought for long term consequences -- we're using the qualities that set us apart from animals (our ability for mathematics and abstract, analytical thought) to create a better, more sustainable planet.

      Assuming that we won't experience some kind of mystical revolution or some sort of psychic flowering where we can time travel and move objects with our minds, I think that this Intelligence Revolution is the closest match to the Mayan "higher consciousness" we will experience.
      YES YES exactly. Thats the same way i feel. I really can't say too much about the astral plane because i've not experienced it.

      But if you measure at the sub atomic level it would appear that nothing is solid. I think everything we perceive is some kind of manifestation of thought. Thought/consciousness is the building blocks of everything. In lucid dreaming, we're in a higher vibratory state where thoughts are more powerful and you can create whatever you want from thought alone.

      I think 2012 will be a shift in consciousness, or we get to a point of where everyone finally figures out the power of belief. That in reality you don't believe what you see, but you see what you believe. And when you realize this, it will seem like everything we experience or sense right now is because we've been taught to believe it on a unconscious level.

      Silence Dogood you have AIM? I do want to discuss this on a deeper level.
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      Quote Originally Posted by JustSoSick View Post
      Lol, and the stars does not die?
      They burn out.
      This was that cult, and the prisoners said it had always existed and always would exist, hidden in distant wastes and dark places all over the world until the time when the great priest Cthulhu, from his dark house in the mighty city of R'lyeh under the waters, should rise and bring the earth again beneath his sway.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DeathCell View Post
      They burn out.
      Yes, they wont burn for ever, they eventually run out of fuel.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      Reality doesn't vibrate.
      It most certainly does.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_vibrations

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      Sometimes I wonder where this "vibration" thing came from. How on earth did a coherent backwards-and-forwards motion of small particles become something fundamental and "spritual"? O.o

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      Quote Originally Posted by RedfishBluefish View Post
      Sometimes I wonder where this "vibration" thing came from. How on earth did a coherent backwards-and-forwards motion of small particles become something fundamental and "spritual"? O.o
      because it means fundamentally everything that is, is energy. and this energy is always in motion - or 'vibrating'. nothing is as solid as we think it is

      we can then talk about this 'vibration' as lower and higher

      why is that important? because we humans can't see known sources of energy that 'resonate' or 'vibrate' on a higher level that our senses can't pick up - like most of the light spectrum or sound

      why is that important? because it means that most of reality is actually beyond what our senses can detect. that doesn't mean this reality is any less real. but it does mean its invisible to us humans.

      hasn't the spiritual realm to believers always been considered a real reality but invisible? hasn't the spiritual realm been described with words like air and light? or spirits themselves described as light or fire? all are images of energy. hasn't the spiritual realm been thought of as 'above' the earth? in other words, higher up the reality chart?

      and with talks about other dimensions to this reality, such as the 5th dimension or higher, it means as well there could be aspects of reality our tools can't detect because they can only detect 4th dimension and lower. in other words, even scientists are now admitting their scientific instruments might have a limit of what they can study. math being sciences most universal tool so far

      this has given spirituality a new way to talk and describe itself. no longer is heaven this magical place in the sky - its reality vibrating at a level much higher than we physically perceive

      there are three scientific discoveries that have become cornerstone to spirituality today
      1. that everything is energy
      2. energy can not be destroyed
      3. energy 'vibrates' at different levels: example : the light spectrum

      this has become to mean to the spiritual community at large
      1. consciousness is a form of energy
      2. consciousness can not be destroyed
      3. consciousness can move up or down, vibrating or resonating at different frequencies
      4. because consciousness can do this, it can be raised up to a much higher vibration of reality, far beyond what the body can perceive, becomming aware of a larger spectrum of reality

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      Quote Originally Posted by RedfishBluefish View Post
      Sometimes I wonder where this "vibration" thing came from. How on earth did a coherent backwards-and-forwards motion of small particles become something fundamental and "spritual"? O.o
      Well it is fundamental, and often times 'spiritual' is the word that is ascribed to that which is intuited from that which is fundamental about the world.

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      The 2012 Enigma by David Wilcock

      a video on google videos about this, with science as well as spirituality, and even lucid dreaming.

      not a 'doomsday' theory, but a theory that something will happen.
      the same guy also has like a 3:30 hour video talking more about it, where some group 'Project Camelot' interviews him.

      I cant say if its true or not, but it incorporates things like wave-particle duality, talks a lot of ancient cultures, and explains things like why the US government doesnt seem to do much about global warming and all that.

      If its not true, at least its a pretty compelling argument.

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      I just can't wait until 2013 so that I can finally utter the loudest "I fucking told you so" the earth (that still exists) will have ever heard.


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      Quote Originally Posted by CatBus View Post
      I just can't wait until 2013 so that I can finally utter the loudest "I fucking told you so" the earth (that still exists) will have ever heard.
      Luckily, a new doomsday will be coming down the pipe by then. It will probably lie somewhere between 2014 and 2016.

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      I think that "the end of time" really just means "the end of an era". There's always some cataclysmic paradigm shift that happens, after which people declare that the world is now completely different than it was prior to the shift.

      People that lived/died many years prior to the industrial or technological revolutions had no comprehension of what life would be like after them; I mean, how could you, really...in any complete way? If a timetraveler from the future had described to them what life is like today, it may very well have seemed that life, as they knew it, would have ended.

      Who knows what will happen in 2012. I certainly don't. Anyone that claims to know it concretely is really just making an educated guess. Some have the possibility of being more educated than others, and yet there always seem to be variables that are left unaccounted for. Intelligence only goes so far.

      I've read a little about both (the scientific claims of what is currently happening leading to what they think could happen, as well as the mystical and non-scientific claims of what they believe will happen)...I don't know which one is correct, if they both are, or if neither of them are. In my opinion it's probable that aspects of both are correct, but the outcome will be different than either side predicted.

      But I don't claim to know concretely. I just think life is changing at an unprecendeted rate these days, and it seems very possible to me that by 2012 we may simply look back on today(or days prior) and think, "Wow. 2008 is dead and gone", the same way that a lot of people say the same thing about the 1990's, or the Renaissance, or The Dark Ages.

      It doesn't mean it's dead, it just means it's the past.

      But then again, I could be totally wrong and we could all explode into cosmic dust. Or nothing will happen and we'll all just be headed in the direction we are today. Who knows.

      Just ideas.


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      Quote Originally Posted by acatalephobic View Post
      I think that "the end of time" really just means "the end of an era". There's always some cataclysmic paradigm shift that happens, after which people declare that the world is now completely different than it was prior to the shift.

      People that lived/died many years prior to the industrial or technological revolutions had no comprehension of what life would be like after them; I mean, how could you, really...in any complete way? If a timetraveler from the future had described to them what life is like today, it may very well have seemed that life, as they knew it, would have ended.
      The industrial revolution took a couple of generations to happen. You're talking about a single year, namely 2012. It's unreasonable to expect something of the magnitude of the industrial revolution to happen over such a ridiculously short time span.

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      What timescale are you comparing it to, though? The first agricultural revolution took 10,000 years or so. The development of tools took about 2,000,000 years. Evolutionary time scales are even greater. I don't think epochs can be analysed in a linear fashion.

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      Quote Originally Posted by esfx View Post
      The industrial revolution took a couple of generations to happen. You're talking about a single year, namely 2012. It's unreasonable to expect something of the magnitude of the industrial revolution to happen over such a ridiculously short time span.
      The idea that it is indeed possible for this to happen is based on things like moore's law and the findings of Raymond Kurzweil and other futurists that electronic technology and even all of human progress advances at an exponential or even a double exponential rate. The argument is that much of the progress of the last few decades has been artificially stunted through price fixing and manufactured scarcity, among other forms of limiting the advancement of technology. Even with these factors though, moore's law is still apparent in electronics and the trend of progress in all or most areas of human advancement has kept close to an exponential growth rate.

      As Xei pointed out, other hallmarks of human progress have taken progressively longer periods of time to come about as you go back through history. It makes sense to believe that they will continue to take less and less time.

      Also, the catastrophic predictions regarding 2012 could be accounted for through what you are saying, that a year is such a short amount of time for the amount of change that is being predicted. It is possible that any catastrophe will stem from the human race finally losing its grasp on the ability to keep up with its own progress.

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      A former friend of mine, who I no longer wish to see as he's going gradually more insane and mentally instable has caught the 2012 bug too.

      I myself believe in a great revolution in Civilisation, caused by mental emancipation/evolution: Our present lifestyle of destroying and exploiting everything and everyone can no longer continue to exist: It has exhausted it's own resources. Exploited it's landscape and it's inhabitants.

      So this oughta be a time, where our market based societies would be replaced for something new: Something endurable and non-destructive. When exactly I cannot say, but it should be soon.


      This friend of mine, who I've broken contact with, has lost his mind in these paranoid 2012 doomtheories. And as a result he wants to travel away from Society and live in the Pyrinees mountains, because he thinks he'll be safe from "the tidlewaves" there.

      God I hate New Age conspiracy theorists. How can they not see they're the Next Yehova witnesses with their doom-preaching?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      As Xei pointed out, other hallmarks of human progress have taken progressively longer periods of time to come about as you go back through history. It makes sense to believe that they will continue to take less and less time.
      My thinking on 2012 is more or less along these lines, drawing on Terrence McKenna's Novelty Theory, that human progress rests upon a process of connecting data/memes in new and more complex configurations, and that this process not only accelerates exponentially, but repeats fractally, so that the 'shape' of events of the past 2.6billion years is mirrored in the past 26,000 is mirrored in the past 26 and so forth (these aren't McKenna's actual intervals, just examples). The 2012 solstice is the linchpin of this unfolding, the point where no novel connections can be made and beyond which time as we currently experience it can no longer advance. From our perspective, we are moving toward this singularity, but one could also say that our history is emanating from it, and what we experience as ever-more-tightly-spaced paradigm shifts reflect the period of this Timewave.

      The end of time does not necessarily mean our end, but we will certainly have to become something else in order to survive it.

      One way to think of it is, our current conception of time is equivalent to the flat-earth conception of space, that because the ground appears flat and heavenly bodies appear to revolve around us on the dome of the sky, it is so. As long as we stay 'local' and don't venture out too far, we an believe it. We currently believe that because events seem to follow each other with only one moment happening at a time, it is so. The 2012 solstice could be our wake-up call that it's a big, big continuum out there.
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