Thread: NDE and Science

What really interested me about NDEs when I first started researching them was how well the synced up with the Tibetan book of the dead, the Buddhist description of the various planes of existence, and the descriptions given by Mystery cults in early Greco-Roman cultures. Certain things varied between them, just as NDEs varied, but what remained together were the archetypes of the process.

People undergo the same processes, though different symbols are enacted for each process, making me think they project the imagery upon their experience that their consciousness feels is most relevant to what the process is actually doing.

Commonalities include your initial total freedom within the 5th dimension. it is a realm of pure ideas, pure imagination, with no solid stage to be placed upon. It is a word that acts accordingly to your expectations. But you share it, and as such are vulnerable to the pitfalls within it such as death-denial, or attraction to a false sense of love. People use many things to fill that hole within themselves that we as a society gained when we decided we are isolated beings. We long for a connection, and people repeat the same habits after death as they did during life in order to obtain this feeling of a connection. They can become engrossed in massive orgies, in drug abuse, and all sorts of things as a way to put off the self-acceptance necessary to move forward.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

We long for a connection, and people repeat the same habits after death as they did during life in order to obtain this feeling of a connection. They can become engrossed in massive orgies, in drug abuse, and all sorts of things as a way to put off the self-acceptance necessary to move forward.

Yea. But if you think about it, its all because of mass media and what they force society to believe.

We really are all connected as one. Its the materialistic world that has us feeling like we're isolated or individuals. But it will come a time where there are no more possessions, like money, cars, etc. ANd us humans we just have each other and start to realize compassion, love, is whats its all about. And someone i think this has something to do with 2012. Thats why im still trying to enjoy the ride lol! til that time comes.

Its like now, we're in a society all about control. Like in the matrix. People controlling us, specifically the government.

When it all comes down to it, its feelings and emotions. We all came from the big bang, from one single little particle.

These other dimensions i think are not within a certain place or time. I think time and space is just an illusion here in the physical world. These dimensions are states of mind, or states of consciousness. ANd when you raise your freqency you enter another dimension or existence where thoughts are more powerful.

If you have a negative state of mind, and you die, you enter this "void" darkness, where whatever fears you had to have caused this state of mind, keep manifesting itself and creates a reality, like a hell reality. And you can't get out of that state of mind until you can feel love and compassion. I dont think hell is a place where you burn and are tied upside down by chains or anything like that.

You know how when you think of something, then that thought keeps manifesting itself over and over?

Well i think whatever state of mind you are in gets carried over your afterlife. And it keeps manifesting itself into a kind of reality maybe. If you die with a positive mind, love, compassion, you will ascend into a higher dimension, or awareness, where its shared by others and thoughts are more powerful. And you can ultimately create your own afterlife with imagination. Sort of like that movie with Cuba GOod Jr. "What dreams may come".

Because this can't be all there is to existence. Has to be more, like with lucid dream. Who'd have fucking thought, you can have your own universe to do whatever you want. I havn't experienced this fully, but i did get a tease of what it was like when i became lucid in a dream for about 4 seconds lol.

This probably sounds crazy, its kind of hard for me to type out my thoughts on computer.

Oh yea, i heard of this experiment, where they tested to see if emotions and feelings have affect on human DNA. Turns out it did, lol. I can post a link to where i read this if you want.

Sorry but that website is just a load of New Age nonsense.

I have briefly read a book about a guy who investigated NDEs, but he came to the conclusion that they're just caused by a variety of biological effects. Many people say they experience OBEs during NDEs, but when asked to describe a specific detail about what they saw, it will not correspond to reality; these experiences are just hallucinations.

Originally Posted by Xei

Sorry but that website is just a load of New Age nonsense.

I have briefly read a book about a guy who investigated NDEs, but he came to the conclusion that they're just caused by a variety of biological effects. Many people say they experience OBEs during NDEs, but when asked to describe a specific detail about what they saw, it will not correspond to reality; these experiences are just hallucinations.

This website has work with some of the leading experts trying to figure this out, to trash it like you have is just plain stupid. Have you even read anything that has been on that site or do you go "He had a mystical...OMG NEW AGE!!! i am not reading anymore". Your biasm is not required in this thread, thanks.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Check this article out, i found it enlightening.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research08.html

Actually the whole site has useful information in it.

Comments, thoughts or input on that article?

I personally believe that if this is true, and there is something after death, the government wouldn't want people to know about this.

Think about it, people that are tired of this life, and they know there is another life ahead of them. It'd be total chaos, killing sprees, panic, etc. OR at least that's what our governments would think.

We really need to let go of this materialistic world we're living in right now. But i want to enjoy the ride a little bit longer since im young lol if you know what i mean. Theres always time to change...if you know what i mean.

But really, read the whole article. I want to know what some people think of it.

If you are intrested in another website with this stuff

http://www.horizonresearch.org/

I have had it bookmarked for about a year.

This website has work with some of the leading experts trying to figure this out, to trash it like you have is just plain stupid. Have you even read anything that has been on that site or do you go "He had a mystical...OMG NEW AGE!!! i am not reading anymore". Your biasm is not required in this thread, thanks.

Why would I be biased against such a comforting idea? You think that I want to believe that there is nothing at death? I think you need to take a step back and realise that you are the biased one; you are terrified of anybody threatening your beliefs. I made a completely rational post and you have responded like a twelve year old.

Could you please explain what is meant by;

wave/particle duality corresponds with a current mathematical theory of chaos which may explain how consciousness might be both a part of the whole and the entire whole of a single non-localized consciousness.

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I think you will find that they are just intimidating words. If you actually understood what they meant, you might realise that as a whole they are complete nonsense.

There's other rubbish like,

The energy of light is infinite.

Uh, no. You say these people are experts? They lack the sort of scientific knowledge you gain in school by the age of about ten. If the energy of light is infinite, why is there an energy crisis? Why does sunlight not destroy the planet?

I think you'll find that light is actually a carrier of energy, in discrete, finite amounts proportional to its frequency.

Originally Posted by Xei

Why would I be biased against such a comforting idea? You think that I want to believe that there is nothing at death? I think you need to take a step back and realise that you are the biased one; you are terrified of anybody threatening your beliefs. I made a completely rational post and you have responded like a twelve year old.

Could you please explain what is meant by;

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I think you will find that they are just intimidating words. If you actually understood what they meant, you might realise that as a whole they are complete nonsense.

There's other rubbish like,

Uh, no. You say these people are experts? They lack the sort of scientific knowledge you gain in school by the age of about ten. If the energy of light is infinite, why is there an energy crisis? Why does sunlight not destroy the planet?

I think you'll find that light is actually a carrier of energy, in discrete, finite amounts proportional to its frequency.

LoL, what makes you believe i am a hardcore believer in something after you die? i am as confused as the next guy at what happens and most of the time my rational thinking comes into play "there probably is nothing" but what you said clearly showed your biasm. As far as 12 year old comment, you sure acted it thinking you are smarter then they are.

Uh, no. You say these people are experts? They lack the sort of scientific knowledge you gain in school by the age of about ten.

And no i can't explain that, i figured everyone knew science was not exactly my best subject but that does not mean i don't know biasm when i see it, and you clearly showed it in your post.

Okay, fine.

I wholeheartedly, unreservedly and sincerely apologise for showing biasm.

Goodbye.

the union of the science and spirituality, is the future, and I'm happy to be apart of it. thanks for the link!