Thread: reality = perfect balance of order/chaos

Originally Posted by Denver

To me, it is like asking if a farm is 50% abandoned and 50% occupied.

is it not?

Bullshit: entropy (disorder) increases in a closed system over time. Even if the statement were true, it would quickly cease to be so.

This 50% figure came from no sound basis whatsoever; you're talking nonsense.

Originally Posted by Photolysis

Bullshit: entropy (disorder) increases over time in a closed system over time. Even if the statement were true, it would quickly cease to be so.

This 50% figure came from no sound basis whatsoever; you're talking nonsense.

We are not talking entropy in physics, but entropy in consciousness.

"A direct measure of the randomness of a system."

Could be a definition of such.

Originally Posted by rottingteeth

is it not?

Fair enough - let me explain what I mean.

I will define the farm as "abandoned" if there are zero persons living there.
I will define the farm as "occupied" if there is at least one person living there.

Now, once the farm is occupied, when can talk in terms of percentages or degrees. If, for example, there are three rooms in the farm and only one occupant, we could say it is one-third occupied. But that does not mean the other two-thirds are abandoned - they are only unoccupied. We could even say that a ten room house with only one occupant is "poorly occupied", so long as it's clear that poorly occupied simply means "occupied, but not fully occupied, and possibly very far from fully occupied."

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Similarly, I see existence as either ordered or chaotic, with no middle ground.
If there is an order to the universe, then that makes the whole thing ordered; even if it is poorly ordered.
If there is no order to the universe, then that makes the whole thing chaotic; even if it is poorly chaotic.

Where, "poorly ordered" and "poorly chaotic" have roughly the same definition as "poorly occupied."
Ordered, but not fully ordered, and possibly very far from fully ordered.
Chaotic, but not fully chaotic, and possibly very far from fully chaotic.

but entropy in consciousness.

What?

Originally Posted by Photolysis

What?

Consciousness can be considered as an entropic system.

Consciousness can be considered as an entropic system.

Uh no it can't. The human body is not a closed system and therefore entropy does not increase over time due to the input of energy, and "entrophic" is not even a word. Entropy is a property of a system, not a characteristic.

And this wasn't mentioned at all in the original post regardless.

Originally Posted by Photolysis

Uh no it can't. The human body is not a closed system and therefore entropy does not increase over time due to the input of energy, and "entrophic" is not even a word. Entropy is a property of a system, not a characteristic.

And this wasn't mentioned at all in the original post regardless.

en·tro·pic \en-ˈtrōp-ik, -ˈträp-\ adjective

http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/entropic

I expected you wouldn't understand.

Consciousness is not a product by the brain, here in lies the problem.

Yes, obviously I was mistaken about the existence of the adjective "entrophic". Your statement is still nonsensical:

Consciousness can be considered a system resulting from entropy

This is false, since the body is a highly ordered system. An increase in entropy would be destructive to the processes of life.

Consciousness is not a product by the brain, here in lies the problem.

Since you provide no reason nor evidence, I will instantly dismiss this as being wrong until you prove otherwise. Not forgetting that A) if it's not a product of the brain, it's not physics, therefore entropy has no meaning, B) then you will be pleased to explain why the destruction of parts of the brain result in the destruction of consciousness, since the brain does not produce it. Interesting.

You're still talking nonsense.