A techno-utopia is definitely the ideal society. |
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After dabbling into the field of economics on this philosophy forum, I wanted to push further into a more critical state in thinking. Some people say a perfect society can not exist. Some say we need to change our economic structure entirely and push away from a currency based economy. Others say the bureaucratic structure of sovereign nations is, in itself, illegitimate to operate the world. What is your opinion on this? What, in your personal views, would be considered a society fully functional where everyone is provided what they need, hunger and homelessness is gone, and sovereign nations are dissolved? |
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-Absolute Wisdom
"Life is much like a barren road. You can choose to leave it and end up in a deserted wasteland, or you can follow the road to see what is beyond the horizon."
A techno-utopia is definitely the ideal society. |
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“The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.” - Albert Einstein
Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
Aren't we brainwashed right now? Aren't we giving up individual freedom in some way to be a part of the society? There is no reason that I see, that we couldn't change it in a way presented by Hard-wired for example. All I'm trying to say that the thing you call individual freedom is so relative that it's irrelevant if a mindset for a perfect utopia was established. If a person praises the current system because he feels that he owns a house or car etc. would that mean that some other "utopian person" would be less free if he didn't feel the need to own the way we do now? |
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Some are. I consider myself more crushed under society, which I detest. There will never be a society, which will be appreciated and accepted by every human, unless people are forcefully planted with same beliefs and ideas. I can say that in my life time there won't be such society, which I would enjoy. Actually, I don't think that even with all the technology, there won't be one for me. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
There can be no perfect society. Some societies are better than others for more of the members, and utopia can be useful as a rhetorical device to consider positive reforms, but every real system requires constant adjustment and eventually needs replaced. Even if some perfect Plan could be devised, allowing for every contingency and accommodating every quirk of human will and desire, where are the perfect people to enact it without error? |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
It's possible, but it's not going to happen for a long, long time, if ever. It is, however, possible. |
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Precisely. We use technology just as much to cause suffering in the name of whatever cause one wishes to fight for. |
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Last edited by Invader; 10-09-2009 at 07:56 AM.
Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
How does an idiocracy emerge if not through reliance on technology and an excess of leisure? If there is anything approaching a perfect society on earth, it's probably the Amish. I love me some gadgets, but I totally respect their decision to steer clear of labor-saving devices in order to keep people connected through communal work. Granted they'd have a much lower standard of living if they couldn't sell jam and cabinets to us 'English.' |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
Well for me, definition of perfection needs to be very accurate, since in my mind perfection does not exist. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
Well how does technology emerge if not through intelligence, reason, advancement, education etc.; the opposite of idiocracy. Things will always strike a balance, so there will always be "idiots" and "smart people", unless things change and people in general get smarter and more educated. Still, I don't know how good things can be if the people around you aren't sheeple anymore, things would definitely change. |
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I don't think Idiocracy can happen, any more than a technotopia. I'm just saying that if we could eliminate most or all of our needs and limitations via technology, or establish a utopia of any other sort, then there's nowhere to go but down. |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
a number of cultures have already passed through 'golden ages' in which people were in harmony with nature and with each other (though they may have been relatively short lived). my perfect society would be more like one of these than one that puts so much emphasis on material development. |
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The sole reason is because we are humans. All the traits we have enable us to create a great society, yet the very same traits prevent us from keeping it long living. Our road will always descend to the chaos and destruction of the society. Nothing lasts forever |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
All I have to say is that a Utopian world, to me, would be a world without purpose. Maybe I'm some kind of masochist, but I wouldn't want to live in a world devoid of hardship if it meant being a pampered asshole with little or no sense of individuality. |
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Final Fantasy VI Rules!
Total LDs: 10 | WILDs: 4 | DILDs: 5 | DEILDs: 2
"Take atheism, for example. Not a religion? Their pseudo-dogmatic will to convert others to their system of beliefs is eerily reminiscent of the very behavior they criticize in the religious."
You are not masochist. That is normal. Life without challenge or without individuality is not a life. This is how I see it. I'd never sacrifice my personal freedom for a sake of society. That is just how it is. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
Seriously, no one found the oddity of my post? We'll never achieve perfection with that level of obliviousness. Oh, well... |
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Who says our society isn't perfect as it is? Sure, we could use a little less war and prejudice, but if everyone was really that upset, things wouldn't be the way they are, would they? |
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198.726% of people will not realize that this percentage is impossible given what we are measuring. If you enjoy eating Monterey Jack cheese, put this in your sig and add 3^4i to the percentage listed.
Are you kidding? |
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Very well round up, Dannon Oneironaut. Well spoken. |
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-Absolute Wisdom
"Life is much like a barren road. You can choose to leave it and end up in a deserted wasteland, or you can follow the road to see what is beyond the horizon."
^I agree with this. Too many people, too many extremists, over-consumption, money=root of all evil, war, famine, startling lack of tolerance, the whole nine yards. So much is wrong, and so much can be fixed. It will HAVE to be fixed, in all reality. There is simply no way we can forge on ahead with our current society in such shambles. We need a wake-up call... |
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