Thread: THE VERY DEVIL

Reading through this thread it was somewhere said that Evil has the same Power as Good. Well, yes, it is true that both Good and Evil act through Agency. I do not think there is a single instance in all of Revealed Religion which shows God acting Directly, but what we see repeatedly is that the Divine Works come to us through the Delegation of Angels. God sits in His High Heaven and sends the Angels to do the Works in the World.

And we have always understood that Evil come from individual Demons, as they have never been much convinced or swayed by advocacies of Collectivity. The Devil is not just some God of Opposites. If the Demons and Fallen Angels wanted to Obey a God, they would have stuck to their Original One. It was Individuality and Freedom that propelled their Rebellion, and not the trivial concern of replacing One God with Another. Now of cource this is not to say that every Demon has it in his Own Self Interest to enslave and master control over as many other Demons as can be managed, just as Modern Mortal Advocates of Freedom find it also in their own self interest to enslave as much of their fellow men as they can manage to exploit. Indeed, that is the ultimate meaning of Freedom -- suspending any regulation against enslaving other people or spirits or souls.

But about Evil being as Potent as Good. Well, we should refer to the Most Ancient of Mythologies in this regards. We hear in the Legend of the Angelic Rebellion that while the Strongest Angel rebelled, he was only able to pursuade 1/3 of the other Angels to follow in his Coup. A full 2/3rds of the Heavenly Hosts remained loyal to God.

Apparently these proportions have set well with Spritualists and Theologians down through the Ages. In Absolute Terms, Goodness has a preponderance over Evil.

The problem of Proximity then might come into play. There might be more Angels than Demons, but the Material World may be closer to Hell than it is to Heaven. The World, as particularly taken as within its own Sphere, may indeed have a greater concentration of Demons than it does of any Good Influence. We need to remember that perhaps Angels need to be invited, where Demons come of their own wills. And people, especially today, are loath to call upon Angels. It is more likely for all of our Young Republicans to suppose they can make a better deal with the Devil. Their concerns for Freedom are indeed not anything different from Lucifers original Battle Cry against God and All Things Holy.

Originally posted by Leo Volont
There might be more Angels than Demons, but the Material World may be closer to Hell than it is to Heaven.

There might not.

Instead, it may be a limited conception and massive ignorance of the material world that invites demons.

Originally posted by Ex Nine


There might not.

Instead, it may be a limited conception and massive ignorance of the material world that invites demons.

So neither off you can conceive a world without demon, devil, Satan or whatever you call "HIM"?
Which is what the post was to imply.

Oh, I can, actually!

I've seen whole varieties in dreams. Haven't you?

One common theme: There was no religion.

Originally posted by Ex Nine
Oh, I can, actually!

I've seen whole varieties in dreams. Haven't you?

One common theme: There was no religion.

What if you were to believe in God but not satan? I am not denouncing religion.

It would not be as good.

When you have peace and all other great things, what do you need God for?

What would need any religion for?

I know you're not denouncing religion, but I am.

Originally posted by Ex Nine
Oh, I can, actually!



One common theme: There was no religion.

Does that also include 'Atheism?'

Originally posted by Awaken4e1
Does that also include 'Atheism?'

A belief in no God?

Of course not.

There's no need for belief at all.

Originally posted by Ex Nine


A belief in no God?

Of course not.

There's no need for belief at all.

Atheism
One entry found for atheism.
Main Entry: athe·ism
Pronunciation: 'A-thE-"i-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god
1 archaic : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity

Doctrine

Main Entry: doc·trine
Pronunciation: 'däk-tr&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French & Latin; Middle French, from Latin doctrina, from doctor
1 archaic : TEACHING, INSTRUCTION
2 a : something that is taught b : a principle or position or the body of principles in a branch of knowledge or system of belief : DOGMA c : a principle of law established through past decisions d : a statement of fundamental government policy especially in international relations

A System of belief - A Religion

So what exactly are you trying to prove? That atheism is invalid because its a religion? Do I really have to point out the problem this argument causes you?

There is no need for doctrine, principles, religion... none of that.


No need for Atheism.
No need for Theism.


Get it?

Originally posted by bradybaker
So what exactly are you trying to prove? That atheism is invalid because its a religion? Do I really have to point out the problem this argument causes you?

Not at all, I am just apposed to Atheist bashing every other Religion but their own.

Originally posted by Awaken4e1
Not at all, I am just apposed to Atheist bashing every other Religion by their own.

But it's ok for you to bash atheism by yours?

Awaken, I just want to remind you that you have not contradicted me.

The worlds that I can imagine and have actually seen and lived in my dreams and lucid dreams, where there is no satan, have one common theme, which is no religion.

That means...

No atheism.
No theism.

Originally posted by bradybaker

But it's ok for you to bash atheism by yours?

No, just know that Atheism is a path to obliteration, and I am trying to warn you...

Atheism is not a path.

Atheism is a step.

Originally posted by Ex Nine
There is no need for doctrine, principles, religion... none of that.


No need for Atheism.
No need for Theism.


Get it?

It's funny how some one can be an Atheist and not confess to be one...

Originally posted by Awaken4e1
It's funny how some one can be an Atheist and not confess to be one...

No, I'm definitely an Atheist.


Just not in my dreams.

Originally posted by Ex Nine


No, I'm definitely an Atheist.


Just not in my dreams.

(Nor am I theist)

therefore you are as religious as you claim 'I am', so if the world you see has no religion, then that means no 'Atheism; too, That would be a good place to live.

Originally posted by Awaken4e1
therefore you are as religious as you claim 'I am', so if the world you see has no religion, then that means no 'Atheism; too, That would be a good place to live.

Yes it would!

Especially with no theism, either!