If Religion is So Good, Why Did Christendom Fail?

**Leo Volont** · 07-28-2006 09:18 AM

If Religion is So Good, Why Did Christendom Fail?

Religion is necessary for Civilization. But the manifest Health and Longevity of any Civilization depends upon the degree to which its foundational Religion is True, Wise, Established, Institutionalized, and Integrated into its Cultural Life and Traditions.

Well, Catholicism fell short in several areas. Jesus had predicted that there would be Weeds of falsehood mixed with the Wheat of Truth. The Last Prophet of the Jewish Religion, Simeon, had predicted that Jesus would be contradicted. And then it was predicted that the Reign of Christ on Earth would last a 1000 Years. Well it did. But not a minute longer. From the Papacy of Gregory the Great (the first Real Pope) to the Surrender of the Catholics to the Protestants at the Peace Conference of Westphalia, the span of years measured for Christendom was exactly a thousand yars. Well, a thousand years is quite an achievement. Many Civilizations don’t make it a fraction of that far. But still, why did Christendom eventually fall.

Well, the Weeds in the Wheat was Paul. The Problem with Paul’s Contribution to the Christian Religion was that it was unwise. Paul was the genius that thought up ‘Salvation’. Well, what is ‘Salvation’, after all, but a license to Sin? Hmmmm, wasn’t the original point of Religion to keep people from Sinning? But apparently Paul was only concerned with punching up the numbers during his membership drives, and in the Greek World with its flagrant drunkenness and buggery, he rightly thought that a License to Sin would be an easier sell then a demand for Moral Rehabilitation. Paul’s Doctrine of Salvation would not be conducive to a lasting Civilization.

Where Christendom was successful, and it was successful in establishing a Post-Roman Christian Civilization – the Only Civilization consolidated enough to defend against the Mongolian Barbarism that consumed the rest of the World – where this Catholic Civilization was successful was in ignoring the Letters and Doctrines of Paul. You see, before the Printing Press and Bible’s availability for Public Perusal, the Parish Priests could define for themselves what Doctrines they would emphasize to the People. And what they emphasized was Catholic Marianism. Catholicism effectively became a Goddess Religion. Righteousness was encouraged, and asceticism and spirituality were honored. Saints were the Rock Stars of this Christian Civilization.

But there had been underlying problems – the Catholic Bishops. Understand that Medieval Europe was divided up between the Influence of the Bishops and the influence of the Religious Orders emanating from the Monasteries and Convents where the inmates were primarily Goddess Worshippsers – Marian Catholics. The Bishops were the Paulists, and because they believed in Salvation and the Forgiveness of Sins, they were inevitably and understandably corrupt (just as the Modern Bishops could not help but to have Scandals such as the Pedophile Disasters – when you Forgive Sin as a First Principle, then you are bound to have Sin… even create sin). This constant presence of Corruption with every Bishop in Europe was certain to have a divisive and enervating influence. Of course, even the Bishops were wise enough to keep the Knowledge of Pauline Doctrines to themselves. They knew better then to tell the common people they could sin. Remember what Augustine taught, the Doctrine of Divine Election – that Only a Special Few should be taught concerning Salvation – and that Special Few would be the Bishops… and certain Princes let in on the Secret.

Then there was the invention of the Printing Press and the translation of the Bible into the Vernacular Languages. People were buying Bibles and reading them from cover to cover. The Antichrist Paul was being read with the same credence being given to Christ Himself. This would lead to the Protestant Rebellion where people such as Martin Luther would complain that the Church had deliberately conspired to keep the Teachings of Paul from being disseminated to the People … you see, Martin Luther had been surprised when he had gotten as far as Graduate School before his Professors had first expected him to have the first familiarity with Paul’s Letters. Luther had struggled with his impulses for sin – lust, drunkenness, lying, stealing, lending at interest, gluttony. But then when he read paul and found that he never really needed to care in the first place… that he would be FORGIVEN all that… well, he was indignant with the Catholic Leadership for not having told him sooner… for not having told everybody sooner that Life could be one slutty drunken free-for-all… all Blessed by God because the Jews had the good sense to murder Jesus when they had the chance.

But this brings us to the collapse of Christendom. Marianism was supplanted by Paulism. High Spirituality and Conscientious Morality was replaced by the Libertinism of the Universal Forgiveness of Sins brought into favor by Protestantism, and of course by the Atheists that came upon their heals. Religion was cancelled out, and so Civilization could only collapse.

Of course, Catholic Civilization had been successful at Integrating Morality into Cultural Behavior and Traditions. And so, even 5 Centuries after the defeat of Catholicism and Victory for the Protestant Barbarians, we still have some residual Morality simply from the Inertia of tradition, the momentum of customary behavior and habitual cultural expectations. But with every Generation we have young Barbarians of Insight who recognize that such ‘irrational’ Traditions and Customs are only holding them back from their real Potential – that of being Predatory Vikings – raping, pillaging, enslaving and exploiting… laughing at any suggestion of Guilt or Remorse. With every succeeding generation there will be ever more Republicans, and proud of it.

**SKA** · 07-31-2006 11:56 AM

You name Christianity Christendom...Are you Dutch? Christendom is Dutch for Christianity.

Well anyway I'll put it very simple: Religion is NOT nececairy for Civilisation. I am not Religious; as in I don't follow an existing religion, but I certainly don't need it since ''Heathens'' have morals and ethics too ( As has often been said to be untrue by many early christians..and some christians still )

The idea BEHIND Religion is good and simple: Live good, do not sin, treat your self, your fellowman and your world with respect.

The reason it failed is because this form of Ethic Spirituality draws in complete populations of people who are inspired, united and lead by religion. The masses of people loose their individuality under this Unison and thus become easily influencable. Of course The Political power and potential this had became obvious for World Leaders.

And thus Religion mainly became a tool to control people and make them followers. Eventhough the basis of religion was built on good intent to build a decent moral society. But alas it is very sensative and vurnerable to fraude: Religion as a means of controlling people's minds. That's where it's gone all wrong.

It is why I have and stick to my own Individual beliefs: People who collectively go up in a spiritual mass become sheep following a shepperd. And I'm not the following type of person. I like to question and investigate paradoxes that religions have pre-set theories about (such as what happens when we die, why are we here?How did the first Life Start to Exist...etc ) MYSELF and form my own views about it. I'm open to suggestions and theories of all sorts of Religions: Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Buddhism, but I don't want to be a part of either one of these religions. I just observe their tyheories and ethics and some of it I incorporate into my own beliefs.

Individualism should be maintained at all costs if you ask me, but people, in general, are rather stupid and easily follow...so Religion has mostly become a false pre-fixed moral ethics-lesson with too many rules that don't even fit in our modern society and needs anymore.

I'm going to say it again cuz I love it so:
INDIVIDUALISM, people know who YOU are and form your OWN ideas. No need to just follow the first Spiritual theocratic movement that inspires you.

**Kaniaz** · 07-31-2006 05:50 PM

If Religion is So Good, Why Did Christendom Fail?[/b]

Christanity fell? I don't remember that.

**Leo Volont** · 08-02-2006 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Kaniaz

Christanity fell? I don't remember that.
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Christianity has been reduced to a Sunday Morning Social Club.

It had once been been a Civilization.

The Pope had been Arbiter of Europe.

The Church conducted the Courts.

The Media, the Entertainment, the Social Clubs and a great deal of the Employment was through the Church.

All Education was through the Church

Every Stage of Life had its Sacrament.

Where every other Civilization fell to the Onslaughts of Asian Barbarian Invasions, it was the Church the Europe that put together the defenses that saved Christendom from genocide and slaughter.

Look at France in the 11th Century. The Land of a Thousand Cathedrals. The most innovative Structures yet in History, and until the advent of steal would remain the peak of human developments. The Pyramids were okay, but they were not virtually hollow. Arches and Flying Buttresses created an impossibly open space under a skyhigh ceiling, and not of clumsy stone walls but sides of translucent and coloured rainbow glass, while every other Civilization could barely get off the first floor. No stadiums, no city halls, no Palaces. Just Cathedrals, Cathedrals and more Cathedrals.

That WAS Christianity.

ALL of THAT is gone.

You just have your stupid Sunday Social Clubs that tell you it is okay to sin because Jews once killed their Messiah. THAT is not even a Religion.

In the 11th Century, people were Christian. 24/7. and they thought about Rightousness... not just Forgiveness.

Just look... how many times during the week do you see anybody cross themselves. How many people do you see kneel. How many Shrines are in your neighborhood. Hell! Do you even have a Shrine in your home?

You know, people are just simply ignorant of History. Modern Barbarism is all anybody knows. they think THIS SHIT TODAY is normal.

But the History is there. The Chronicles. Saint Bernard and a dozen other Saints. People's Crusades. Children's Crusades.

Today we don't have Saints.

We have Rock Stars. Movie Stars. and Sex Sex Sex.

If you had any perspective or any frame of reference, there'd be no way you could call the silly remnants of those tiny box churches CHRISTIANITY. It is like pointing to a stale crumb and calling it a complete LOAF OF BREAD.

**carlhungis** · 08-02-2006 12:30 PM

Just wait for modern society to collapse, religion will make a strong comeback. When life is harder and people no longer need to spend every moment trying to make money to pay for... rent, gas, mortgage, clothes, booze.... they will have to turn somewhere, and I would bet it will be the church. But sadly, that is probably what it will take.

**Gawain** · 08-02-2006 02:04 PM

Very true Leo, but having large churches everywhere is not the goal of Christianity.

I hardly think that not having wordly power means failing, especially when the Church's doctrine prohibits materialism.

At the funeral of one of the greatest kings in all of Euroupe, Louis XIV (the 'Sun King&#39

, the bishop gave the four word eulogy "Only God is great." We did not fail, nor had we even succeeded...

...but the number of people believing did decrease.
Less and less people were believing in God as science explained more and more phenomena.

I highly doubt people will turn back to the church when society falls. The Church's hardship is that its motivation for people is simply guilt and reward. Another is having to compete with science, as science and the Church do not agree sometimes.

Christianity did not fail, as there is nothing to succeed at. Each person's goal is to reach heaven, and the failure is hell. Christianity itself did not try to achieve wordly power, so there's nothing to fail at.

**Leo Volont** · 08-04-2006 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by carlhungis

Just wait for modern society to collapse, religion will make a strong comeback. When life is harder and people no longer need to spend every moment trying to make money to pay for... rent, gas, mortgage, clothes, booze.... they will have to turn somewhere, and I would bet it will be the church. But sadly, that is probably what it will take.
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Actually, with everything going to Hell it might actually get worse. Look at the Middle East where the predations of Western Imperialism and Zionism have ruined several societies and their economies. No Religion is reaching out to feed them, but Terrorism is paying a stipend.

In suffering, 9 out of ten men become 'Warriors', that is, bandits and thieves, for every one that become an acsetic, a monk or a hermit.

Yes, History has shown us some few very successful Religious Movements. But how rare and far between are they? Mongolia had never developed a Religion. Africa is religiously challenged.

And then there are the 'Place Saver' "Religions... they take up the space that should be occupied by a Real Religion. Such PlaceSaving Religions only serve to keep good religions out. People don't know what a good religion is. People honestly think that the purpose of a Religion is to give one an excuse to go on sinning -- Forgiveness and Salvation and going to Heaven no matter what kind of Dick one has been. And so we see that in the World today, it is Protestants that are simply wrecking and ruining everything. All their Faith does for them is to allow them to suppose they can do any stupid, vicious, crazy thing, and God will Save them from themselves in the end.

So, people may not have any positive place to turn. And looking at History, it is entirely possible that a Dark Age Interval before any incipient New Civilization could go on for hundreds of years.

If a New Religious Revelation were to take hold , along the order of another Guadalupe, Saint Patrick or Bernard, or a Vincent Ferrer, or even another Jesus Christ... then that would be very lucky for us. But History shows us there that the Devil fights back. Jesus was killed and the World got Paul, who taught the West that Sin was Fine and Dandy.

Its sad but true, historically up until now as far as our social evolution has lead us, that the Conservatives and Republicans may be correct when they insist that if you want to pick a Winner, one should side with Barbarism. And so it may be that Barbarism will inheret the Earth for a very very long time.

Originally Posted by carlhungis

Very true Leo, but having large churches everywhere is not the goal of Christianity.

I hardly think that not having wordly power means failing, especially when the Church's doctrine prohibits materialism.

At the funeral of one of the greatest kings in all of Euroupe, Louis XIV (the 'Sun King&#39

, the bishop gave the four word eulogy "Only God is great." We did not fail, nor had we even succeeded...

...but the number of people believing did decrease.
Less and less people were believing in God as science explained more and more phenomena.

I highly doubt people will turn back to the church when society falls. The Church's hardship is that its motivation for people is simply guilt and reward. Another is having to compete with science, as science and the Church do not agree sometimes.
Christianity did not fail, as there is nothing to succeed at. Each person's goal is to reach heaven, and the failure is hell. Christianity itself did not try to achieve wordly power, so there's nothing to fail at.
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Christ came to be Messiah. King of Kings. Is that Materialism?

What of Christ predicting a Thousand Year Reign of Christ on Earth? Well, we had it. From the Papacy of the First Real Pope (an Imperial Pope) Gregory the Great to the defeat of the Catholic Church institutionalized at the Peace of Westphalia, it was exactly a 1000 years.

It is silly to suppose that Religion can be in any way important, if EVERYTHING substantial in life is handed over to the Secularists, the Zionists, the Atheists, the Capitalists, the Pornographers.

If Religion is reduced to an insignificant and impotent Sunday Morning Social Club, the Satan has won. I am sure that Satan is well pleased to give Religion an hour on sleepy Sunday Mornings, when he gets the rest of the World and the remaider of the calendar for all of his agenda.

And, yes, you are not the only Protestant or Catholic that pretends that it was actually a great step forward when the Church was cast down and Atheism took over the World. But really, read some history. You will find that Religion was a good thing afterall.... on every day of the week, and in every social and economic venue.

But the Devil wins and you ... idiots... applaud.

**Gawain** · 08-06-2006 06:40 AM

Christ can do what He wants with the world.... He made it, did he not? Materialism is a sin for us because it is wanting what is not truly ours/ being offered to us, and not wanting what is.
I'm not saying that religion incorporated into society wasn't a good thing.

And again we come back to "Christianity did not fail". This Earth is not our goal.
If our goal was to inhabit the Earth, then yes... I would completely agree with you that we utterly failed.

(Pie never fails...)

**Leo Volont** · 08-06-2006 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Gawain

Christ can do what He wants with the world.... He made it, did he not? Materialism is a sin for us because it is wanting what is not truly ours/ being offered to us, and not wanting what is.
I'm not saying that religion incorporated into society wasn't a good thing.

And again we come back to "Christianity did not fail". This Earth is not our goal.
If our goal was to inhabit the Earth, then yes... I would completely agree with you that we utterly failed.
(Pie never fails...)
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"The Earth is not our Goal".

Well, that was an easy thing to say AFTER the Messiah was Killed, and AFTER the Fall of Christendom and Christian Civilization.

But remember the very Last Verse of the Sermon of the Mount: "BE THOU PERFECT EVEN AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT". So, no, the World has no excuse. The World is to be Divinized.

"The Earth is not our Goal" is loser talk. It is the demoralized surrendering to Satan. We should contend with the Devil for the Earth, not just walk away like weak little sisters... like pussies.

We should not make a virtue of cowardice. We should not pretend that Defeat was our Ultimate Goal.

And, god, by the way, how is it that people can spout this loser defeatist language and not realize what they are doing. You would think that one would feel the Pang of Betrayal when one is saying anything so offensive to God and Christ. Or perhaps it is compensated by the Warm Fuzzy of Satanic Approval.

**Gawain** · 08-06-2006 07:13 AM

I also remember reading somewhere (no, I can't quote from the Bible. I'm so bad) that Satan would have his way on Earth for some time.

Maybe this is it? I dunno.

All this talk about the good ol' days is getting us nowhere. You're right: I really can't tell I'm saying something cowardly by saying that the Earth is not our goal. Granted, that's what I believe, but I personally can't see what's cowardly about it, so I apologize for my ignorance.
I can't change it. Millions of people have tried ever since we "failed".

**Leo Volont** · 08-06-2006 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Gawain

I also remember reading somewhere (no, I can't quote from the Bible. I'm so bad) that Satan would have his way on Earth for some time.

Maybe this is it? I dunno.

All this talk about the good ol' days is getting us nowhere. You're right: I really can't tell I'm saying something cowardly by saying that the Earth is not our goal. Granted, that's what I believe, but I personally can't see what's cowardly about it, so I apologize for my ignorance.
I can't change it. Millions of people have tried ever since we "failed".
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yes, you are very well read.

There was a Marian Prophecy from the middle 19th Century... I think the Apparition of La Salette France in 1847, that predicted that Satan would be given a Hundred Years. some people had determined somehow that Satan ruled mostly unobstructed from 1886 to 1986. However, there have been a number of Marian Apparitions during this time, and a few honest to God Saints -- Padre Pio in Italy, Sai Baba of Shirdi in India, as well as Mahrishi Ramana Maharshi. So there continued to be some Divine Influences. But what we have seen as that Every Single Political Jurisdiction on Earth has been in the hands of Secularists. We must remember the Italian Revolution which dispossessed the Pope of the Papal Territories, which must have been a great occassion for Satanic Celebration -- the Thousand Year Reign of Christ over a Worldly Jurisdiction had come to a defeated and ignoble end... with the Vatican nestled like a prisoner in the Capital of those who spit in the Pope's face, and stole his territory. Certainly the Devil's Victory.

Honestly, the Vatican should move. To Mexico City... the Shrine of Quadalupe. Just as Catholic Civilization might have saved itself if it HAD completed and established its move to Avignon France, then closer to the political center of gravity of Christendom. Nothing is Holy about goddamned Rome. And then the Pope (Pope Rat) is an Ex-Nazi, from a country that is primarily Protestant and indeed the Fatherland of Protestantism. All while the Real Center of World Catholicism is in Latin America, which is growing impatient with the Vatican freezing them out for, what, 500 years now. I've really lost patience with that Church and its mentally retarded Bishops and Cardinals.

Indeed, the Prophecy of Malachi, Bernard's friend from the 11th Century, had indicated that there would be 260 more Popes. And now this Pope, now... Benedict... is said to be the last.

And then, a few years ago, an Angel came and told me that "The Church of Paul would have one Last Role to Play". Well, that is a bit of a cryptic prophecy, but it may have been saying there would be one last Pope.

Now, I hope the Catholic Infrastructure survives. But Pauline Doctrines must be universally rejected. If Paul is jettisoned and Christianity reformulates around Christ, the Saints and the Revelations of the Marian Apparitions, then the other remaining Higher Religions of the World would not have the reservations they have had to have against Christian Ecumentalism (the Higher Religions were bulking when asked to Forgive Sins on account of Messianic Murder.... their attitude had always been "You have to be kidding!")

**Gawain** · 08-06-2006 03:59 PM

Quoth Leo:

Honestly, the Vatican should move. To Mexico City... the Shrine of Quadalupe. Just as Catholic Civilization might have saved itself if it HAD completed and established its move to Avignon France, then closer to the political center of gravity of Christendom. Nothing is Holy about goddamned Rome. And then the Pope (Pope Rat) is an Ex-Nazi, from a country that is primarily Protestant and indeed the Fatherland of Protestantism. All while the Real Center of World Catholicism is in Latin America, which is growing impatient with the Vatican freezing them out for, what, 500 years now. I've really lost patience with that Church and its mentally retarded Bishops and Cardinals. [/b]

With that said, we had an unofficial goal right around the time of the Acts of the Apostles, where all Christians had a driving urge to take over Rome. We only "succeeded" because Constantine converted. If it weren't for him, we'd all be long since slain.
We keep Rome as a trophy of sorts I guess, and being so goddamn traditional, we just stayed there. If we're going for something, we might as well savor the victory.

I agree. Nothing is holy about Rome in particular, it just was a quick set up on the spot close to the home of Constantine.

Good luck getting those fanatics to move to Mexico.... and the last time we had multiple Popes and "Holy cities", it ended up in the Great Schism, which was pretty bad news for the Catholic Church.

**sephiroth clock** · 08-07-2006 03:05 AM

I used to have a friend named paul.

**Leo Volont** · 08-12-2006 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Gawain

Quoth Leo:
With that said, we had an unofficial goal right around the time of the Acts of the Apostles, where all Christians had a driving urge to take over Rome. We only "succeeded" because Constantine converted. If it weren't for him, we'd all be long since slain.
We keep Rome as a trophy of sorts I guess, and being so goddamn traditional, we just stayed there. If we're going for something, we might as well savor the victory.

I agree. Nothing is holy about Rome in particular, it just was a quick set up on the spot close to the home of Constantine.

Good luck getting those fanatics to move to Mexico.... and the last time we had multiple Popes and "Holy cities", it ended up in the Great Schism, which was pretty bad news for the Catholic Church.
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The Church had once been given a Chance and had been shown a Great Sign, and they managed to ignore it. Remember when there was a Schism in the Church, and there was a crazy Pope in Rome and a sensible Pope in Avignon France? And this is when France had become the de facto Political Capital of Europe. Well, there was then the Greatest Saint in all of History, whose catalogue of Miracles and Wonders surpassed, easily by a thousand times, even those of Jesus Christ Himself. This was Vincent Ferrer. And he had been sponsored by the Avignon Pope.

But the Church went back to Rome anyway, and now there is no church.

**Richter** · 08-27-2006 09:04 AM

Good if Christianity is now a Sunday Morning Social Club. That means that it's finally returned to a peaceful personal belief system, and not a call to arms! Religion used for personal gain is the single biggest problem with humanity, and unfortunately, that lesson must be relearned painfully with each generation.

If you are an atheist, I guess religion could be rated on how life has been improved for it's practitioners AND it's nonbelievers.

If you believe the religion, I guess it could be rated on how many people are saved, reach higher conciousness, etc...

Why would anybody want to "rate" a religion and call it a failiure or success, anyways? Why does everybody want to use their personal beliefs to combat other people's beliefs? One can debate the possibilty of certain truths, but why do people HAVE to be right, and get everybody else to admit it?

As for Protestantism being an excuse to sin; I can't speak for anybody else, but I know I don't use it that way. I also tend to have a more positive worldview in that while some may use religion as a get-out-of-jail-free card, most people actually want to be good and try to be good, though they may fail time and time again.

Each generation thinks it's society is going to hell, but I think the ever-increasing panic is caused by the improved communications. The horrors of reality have always existed; access to viewing such atrocities has only recently been granted. No wonder most people think we're on a downward spiral.

**Neruo** · 09-10-2006 01:45 PM

Yeah what Is up with that 'christendom' part. That is allso how you spell it in dutch.

Anyhow.

Christianity fails becouse there is no clear 'christianity'. Becouse all kind of christianity today all come from some inaccurate and wrong sources 1900 years ago, they all are way to random and adjusted to people's current needs to be consistent.

Thus, by lack of consistancy in the quick pase of the 20/21th century christianity fails obviousy and will end to exist besides some extremist un-influential cults.

Back to it's roots, ay.

**Lonewolf** · 08-20-2007 06:53 AM

I don't see what's the big deal of calling it Christendom. I've seen books use that word. And its in the dictionary.

Anyways, It just goes to proof that "Christianity" IS the weeds as described by that parable. They are not the true christians.

**Universal Mind** · 08-20-2007 06:54 AM

WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY... did you just resurrect a Leo Volont post from a year ago? Please let that guy go away!

**Lonewolf** · 08-20-2007 06:56 AM

haha thats funny, i totally didnt realize that. I browsed the 'whos online' and I saw that a guest was looking at this post and i was like hmm interesting title so i moseyed on over here.

I BREATHE LIFE INTO YOU.

**Xaqaria** · 08-20-2007 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by SKA

You name Christianity Christendom...Are you Dutch? Christendom is Dutch for Christianity.

Well anyway I'll put it very simple: Religion is NOT nececairy for Civilisation. I am not Religious; as in I don't follow an existing religion, but I certainly don't need it since ''Heathens'' have morals and ethics too ( As has often been said to be untrue by many early christians..and some christians still )

The fact that an individual can get by without religion is not evidence that an entire civilization can.

**jaasum** · 08-20-2007 06:13 PM

This thread is so pointless.

The devil hasn't won anything. Christ's religion was not one of materialism. And there is NOTHING good about religion. That was Christ's message and that is why they crucified him, because he came in claiming to be the Son of Man and then told the religion establishment that they had it all wrong. Satan hasn't won, satan can't win, satan isn't even who you think he is. Hell doesn't exist like you think it does. Everyone is pissed off at the American status quo of Christianity, but there is much more substance to it than the Benny Hinns or Pat Robertsons make it out to be. You people can't sit there and judge Christianity by it's own modern standards. People have gone astray not the religion. If the collective population decided that the pacific ocean was really made up of blueberry jelly would that mean that it is? (stupid analogy sorry, but I find your analogies retarded)

**Sornaensis** · 08-21-2007 10:21 PM

I can see two good things that come from controlled, non-fanatic, non-literalistic religion. Dogmatism (Believe it or not, the general population is in a constant search for a comfotable routine, and religion offers just that), and Hope (Even if false, Some hope is bettern than none (For some)). But once a religion gets literal, and distracts civilzation, it should be replaced. Just look at the Judaism > Christianity transition. Now, hopefully, a new, more fitting, religion will compromise most of Christianiy, and a new Global religion will take hold.