Thread: How I Found God

Wow, keeper. You sure are good at circular logic. Just keep running round and round...never offer any proof.

You are shifting the burden of proof. You are the one claiming that there is a God. So prove it or shut up.

I asked him a question he is not answering, Friend. This is not circuler logic, this is an atemt to understand why he feals as he does, and what proof he has.

He made a clame that God is against logic, now he must say why.

If you cant see this, Friend, then how blind are you? You ask me for proof, yet give none of your own.

Originally Posted by YourImaginaryFriend

Wow, keeper. You sure are good at circular logic. Just keep running round and round...never offer any proof.

You are shifting the burden of proof. You are the one claiming that there is a God. So prove it or shut up.
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Belief is the confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof.
So any counter arguments will not likely sway a strong believer's mind. It will only irritate you more. So why let it bother you so?

I love how EVERYTIME an athiest talks about God they use the Christan God.......always amazes me

In the begining i said God may even just be a force. And in science there are thiings called forces. Now why couldnt there be a all power,over running everything. God force?

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What makes God believable?

Originally Posted by Keeper

Your not going to tell me why you think it is illogical? THe only conclusion I can draw is that you cant find a reason it is.
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What? Do you even remember what the original statement was? I said that god is an invention of a religion I don't believe in. You asked me how I knew that, and the answer is so painfully obvious that I'm not even going to waste my time.

Originally Posted by Keeper

so does that denigh the existance of a God, who is neither good nor evil?
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Yes, it does. This was covered in the latter half of that paragraph.

Originally Posted by Keeper

what is wrong with that?
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It's what's known as a logically fallacy (i.e. frickin' nonsense).

Originally Posted by Keeper

I'm not asking you to exept a religion, I'm asking you to tell me why you dont think ther is a God of any veriety
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Why do you have to keep rewording the same question? I'm just going to copy and paste my answer every time unless you can point to some fault in my reasoning.

Originally Posted by Keeper

I agree. As you know, I am currently copllecting evedence to post in my thread. I am just stating a fact, however.
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What!? You still haven't posted that?! Hahahaha! Whatever happened to "If I don't post it by the end of the month(last month), you can call me a liar" or whatever you said? Yeah, I can state all kinds of "facts", too, watch:

FACT: I am a ninja
FACT: Everything the colour yellow will turn into a portal to another dimension in 1000 years
FACT: The silverware in my kitchen comes alive at night

Originally Posted by Keeper

I thought you didn't like typing things over and over?
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I don't. I've been copying and pasting because you've not been asking anything new nor addressing my points properly.

Originally Posted by Keeper

You asked a question based on opinion, I answerd, so it isn't worthless. You asked if there is a flaw and I said yes.
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Opinions have nothing to do with it. I was either correct or not. It was a factual statement.

Originally Posted by Keeper

would you like me to explain why?
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YES!

Originally Posted by Keeper

well, I did. I will answer it now.
I didn't say I didn't. However, the concept of a God, no matter what His discription, is not illogical, nor does scince contradict it. You are, in fact, asking the question I asked you. Now, stop beating around the bush and say clearly why you dont.
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Hahaha, you've gotta be joking. I've said that about ten times. There's no way you're serious. This must be some kind of joke. Unless...

Nirvana Starseed? Is that you?

Originally Posted by Howetzer

Belief is the confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof.
So any counter arguments will not likely sway a strong believer's mind. It will only irritate you more. So why let it bother you so?[/b]

Actually, I wholeheartedly agree, Howie.

Religion requires, at SOME point, a leap of faith. A jump from reasoning to belief that does not involve logic or rationality.

This is my main gripe with Christians and religious people in general. There are TWO types of "believers". The logos - those that arrive at their faith via logic; and the mythos - those that arrive at their faith through this "leap of faith". Those for which, faith by nature is contradictory to, in spite of, or SEPERATE from reason.

I have NO problem with religious people of the "Mythos" variety. Religious people who acknowledge that their faith is seperate from logic, reason, and evidence, are FINE by me. Because that way, THEY know where they're coming from, and they proclaim the nature of their faith as seperate from reason.

It is believers who purport to be of the "Logos" variety that piss me off. Faith neccessitates a leap of faith. Faith cannot be logical. What annpoys me is that some people, such as you, Keeper - make this leap of faith, but then retrospectively try to reason their beliefs. Beliefs which, by nature, cannot be reasoned.

Originally Posted by The

What annpoys me is that some people, such as you, Keeper - make this leap of faith, but then retrospectively try to reason their beliefs. Beliefs which, by nature, cannot be reasoned.
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I don't think he's even pretending to listen anymore.

I don't claim to know anything, and I certainly don't!

However, I think as a Christian it's possible to have a little logical reasoning AND faith. I'm not going to throw logic completely out the window as a Christian, but also know that logic alone defies religious belief. Sure, one could come up with theories about how the universe actually supports religion... but religion to me should be just an attempt at personal enlightenment. What is enlightenment? The word itself means to literally "lighten oneself" with an understanding of something unknown, often to a higher state of conciousness.

What constantly bugs me about organized religion is the arrogance. These religions claim to KNOW what God and the afterlife are, what God thinks, and that they indeed exist in the first place. I understand having a gut "feeling" that there's more out there than what we see, but to claim to know what it is!?!

To me, the simple acknowledgement that there may be something bigger out there is faith. How one show's their faith I would call religion. Religion should not be attempt to explain everything regardless of science and logic. Then again, science shouldn't claim to know everything, either.

FACT: The silverware in my kitchen comes alive at night[/b]

No, that's Scientology, silly.

FACT: The silverware in my kitchen comes alive at night[/b]

Originally Posted by Kaniaz

No, that's Scientology, silly.
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No..I've seen it. It MUST be true. All MUST believe in the almighty silverware. Those who don't believe will burn in Kell.

See! It's true! Even my imaginary friend agrees!

Oh crap!!! Silverware comes alive at night?! I better believe or burn!!!!

Ahh..behold how religion persists.

This is the 1000000 time i have asked this...This is my post so i want a damn answer, Why the Hell does it always go back to christanity? I dont give to shits about how if you dont believe in christanity that you will burn in hell in there religion. I dont want atheists bashing me for finding god

All i want to know is if you have found God, How did you do it. If not this topic will be closed, thank you

I found god in an alley. He tried to sell me watches.

Originally Posted by Mark75

I found god in an alley. He tried to sell me watches.
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Im sorry that God hasnt shown any sign of him to you Mark. I will meditate that someday you will find him in any form that you can so that you are not so ignorant to the fact that you are ALIVE. And that sciece is fucking God and that what the fuck other evidence do you need other than Life? Life is the number one fucking sign that there is God, fucking athiest

dropout14 can you post some more precog experieneces that you had?
it's very interesting. I had only one in all my life, but one is enough to convice me that paranormal phenomena exists, and it's sure feels good to have this conviction.

I just need to look myself in the mirror to see God.

Originally Posted by dropout14

Im sorry that God hasnt shown any sign of him to you Mark. I will meditate that someday you will find him in any form that you can so that you are not so ignorant to the fact that you are ALIVE. And that sciece is fucking God and that what the fuck other evidence do you need other than Life? Life is the number one fucking sign that there is God, fucking athiest
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Hahahaha.

'Life' is your biggest argument? For what? For existance? lol.

Saying 'well we exist, so THERHE HAS 2 B A GAWD!1!1' makes you a total retard, that at some point in his life allways turn to some god, Christian, muslim and maybe even the flying spagetti monster, because you are to stupid to realise it is made up. Not like you actually look into (research) a religion.

Anyhow, that post of you kind of ends this topic regarding you, since even if you realise you have no proof of god what so ever you will still remain a retard that will probably end up facist or mao-like-communist.

However, Children, don't end up like Mr Dropout, actually think about everything you percieve. And never stop thinking, like Mr Dropout.

I hope some people Will see you as an example NOT to follow.

Neruo, you speak rudely, and as a result no one will take your opinions seriously.
dropout14, don't be put off by such rudeness.
Keep on posting your interesting opinions and experiences!

Originally Posted by dodobird

Neruo, you speak rudely, and as a result no one will take your opinions seriously.
dropout14, don't be put off by such rudeness.
Keep on posting your interesting opinions and experiences!
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I was actually going to edit my post, because it was to rude. But afterall, all it was was a reply to:

Originally Posted by dodobird

Im sorry that God hasnt shown any sign of him to you Mark. I will meditate that someday you will find him in any form that you can so that you are not so ignorant to the fact that you are ALIVE. And that sciece is fucking God and that what the fuck other evidence do you need other than Life? Life is the number one fucking sign that there is God, fucking athiest
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So don't start the rudeness shit Some people keep up the kind approach, I respect them. I however, have no hope anymore for Mr Dropout, so Mr Dropout can have some of his unrefined ungrounded abusive claims right back at him.

You all just like to argue,whatever you belive in your heart is right.

Originally Posted by bendstringz

You all just like to argue,whatever you belive in your heart is right.
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I believe , god tells me so, I have to kill all jews, christians, muslims and all blacks, yellows, whites and all gay and all rich people.

Glad to hear I am right.

I love how you call me Mr dropout....like it offends me.....Trust me man, i have never stopped thinking nor ever will. When you realize for like to be here, for you to be sitting there reading this and to breath air that there is some form of a God. All of this did not JUST happen. Maybe when you realize that you will understand me.....Oh and about me not researching any religion..i went to catholic schools my whole life, have learn about almost all religions and have put in some personal research on my own andi have come to the conclusion that there is a God. WHy do athiest not believe that science is a part of God? answer me that