The official "can't we all just get along" thread

[wendylove]

18 out of 24... Oh and... "This forum is for any and all religious discussions and debates" This means that not all threads have to devolve into debates. The title says can't we all just get along and then you say no atheist trolling, what about theists, polytheists and agnostics. You can't single out a minority and aspect everyone to get along. Metcalfracing taughts atheist telling them not to troll Think of this as the finer points of religion thread... Rules 1. No atheist trolling (sorry guys, I love you, but it'll just cause unwarranted stress for the nice religious folk.) 2. No atheist trolling 3. Plz, for the love of god, no atheist trolling+ Atheist go for the kill.

[joey11223]

aww c'mon a didnt troll, i just commented that it is what you want us to do, hence your first post( read my earlier post to see what i mean).

[AHiddenSaint]

aww c'mon a didnt troll, i just commented that it is what you want us to do, hence your first post( read my earlier post to see what i mean). Didn't troll either I was actually being serious with the cake verse pie comment. I mean seriously all religion is made up at one point of time. One group if they believe in God or don't believe in God will think the other is better. Then they will go out and try to claim how the other is better. I don't believe religion matters, but instead the heart does. If we focused on the heart then we could all agree on something at least about spirituality if it be the belief in a God or the belief in no God. I mean shouldn't doing good and treating others kindly matter more then the belief of what happens when we are dead?

[homer2020]

Because, I'm going to try and obey the rules by not trolling, I'll just ignore some of the comments... except this one When people live by the the "Bible is the word of God" mantra, it's very easy for someone to say "the bible says this, and it's the word of god, therefore, god wants you to kill all <insert example here>s" I'd also like to see a thread backing up the claim that atheists have done serious atrocities in the name of atheism, in similar scales as religious people have. Well I don't know too many places in the Bible that tell me to go kill people so I don't know where people are getting this from. There's this things near the beginning of the Bible that says the exact opposite "Thou shalt not kill" I can't say too many people have killed in the name of atheism (I mean what would they killing on the name of?) But I'm saying atheist killing in general or just dong morally wrong things, in which I could come up with a huge list. And just to stress this fact: Just because you say your doesn't mean you are. Anyways what's topic # 2? Or did you expect there to be a bunch of flamming/off-topicness/trolling

[Indecent Exposure]

please, help me out and tell me what u meant by no trolling? we shouldnt post our opinions? We shouldnt take part in dsicussion? We shouldnt mock your stupidity? We shuldnt discuss dodecatheism? Imran

[homer2020]

Well a good definition of trolling is: being off-topic/adding nothing to the subject at hand. And the discussion isn't about arguing whether it's true or not so....

[Riff]

I love god.

[Riff]

OH and why are athiests... well athiests? You are taking a chance that indefinately dooms you to hell. Why not just follow a religion and you might just go to heaven. But why be totally ignorant and choose to be on a team where you would only suffer in the end. Of course you could follow a religion that would suit your original views but, if its false then NOTHING will happen to you. See, having atleast a religion will give you a chance at fulfilling 'enlightenment' or w.e. but being athiest is basicly saying " I SUCK, HELL LOOKS FUN". hehe, sorry i went on a lil rampant. Go on.

[AHiddenSaint]

Well a good definition of trolling is: being off-topic/adding nothing to the subject at hand. And the discussion isn't about arguing whether it's true or not so.... So you considering if someone gives a example of oh either doesn't matter because people are focused to much on the wrong thing a troll because it isn't taking sides which will lead to stronger anger and outcry from each side?

[AHiddenSaint]

OH and why are athiests... well athiests? You are taking a chance that indefinately dooms you to hell. Why not just follow a religion and you might just go to heaven. But why be totally ignorant and choose to be on a team where you would only suffer in the end. Of course you could follow a religion that would suit your original views but, if its false then NOTHING will happen to you. See, having atleast a religion will give you a chance at fulfilling 'enlightenment' or w.e. but being athiest is basicly saying " I SUCK, HELL LOOKS FUN". hehe, sorry i went on a lil rampant. Go on. Who is to say which religion is right when the religious community can't even agree with what a book says so they have to divid into different sects of religion then attack each other as being wrong because they don't agree with what one script says over the other?

[homer2020]

First topic... What religion are you, and what are the pros and cons? Sorry AHiddenSaint but your sentence makes little sense to me, I don't know what you're trying to say. So I just posted what the subject is, basically if what you are posting has nothing to do with that then you are probably trolling.

[skysaw]

OH and why are athiests... well athiests? You are taking a chance that indefinately dooms you to hell. I am agnostic, with leanings towards atheism. When I consider the possibility of there being a god, I imagine him/her as a sane and reasonable entity with compassion and love. I can't see such a being condemning me to hell because I didn't go to church and bow down on my knees. I mean, how vain do you think god is, that THIS would be the ticket to eternal happiness? No, I imagine god would see me as an example of a good person with good morales, who treats his friends right and makes a valuable contribution to society. He/she would be happy that I manage to make the correct choices each day without having to go and be reminded constantly at church. Those who feel the need to pray and study the bible are simply those who haven't finished "studying." More to the point, if there is a god, I am already doing his/her will.

[metcalfracing]

please, help me out and tell me what u meant by no trolling? we shouldnt post our opinions? We shouldnt take part in dsicussion? We shouldnt mock your stupidity? We shuldnt discuss dodecatheism? Imran I'll answer what you should do in the order they where given... 1. I asked for people to describe what it is like doing what they do (religion-wise). Did you post the pros/cons of being atheist? No. You didn't. Not only that, but an atheist was one of the people I thanked for posting... or did you not read that either? 2. Feel free to take part in a discussion, but from the looks of things you want to debate, which I don't wish this thread to be. 3. Plz, your use of semantics is not funny, nor is it helping your case. Stop making personal attacks or GTFO. 4. You can absolutely discuss it. PS: for all those who wander why the title is "can't we all just get along", the answer is simple. I was trying to make a thread were the people on this forum didn't have to be at each other's throats. You people have all just proven that you can't all just get along, ripping my post to death because I didn't want you guys arguing... What does that say about you? But, since I don't want this topic to run further out of control, Plz, just discuss what its like to be religious or atheist... Plz.... Edit: ... and for the record, why would a theist troll a thread for theists?

[AHiddenSaint]

Sorry AHiddenSaint but your sentence makes little sense to me, I don't know what you're trying to say. So I just posted what the subject is, basically if what you are posting has nothing to do with that then you are probably trolling. Could it be the view that you have of trolling is due to the lack of understanding not that the person is actually trolling, but you just lack a understanding so instead of trying to understand you see it as not having to be due to the subject? Wouldn't it be better to ask the person to explain better what they mean instead of saying they are trolling? Some people have a hard time of communicating on subjects or feel something could be related, but only give a small part to build up on. A lot just want to post something a simple as possible because it's in our nature to post quickly at times. It doesn't mean a person is trolling, but instead more communication is needed to get to a point of understanding.

[Flotsam]

i'm going to try and steer the thread back in the direction that was intended i am an atheist/universalist, i believe that either every religion is correct to some extent or that no religion is right. i tend to lean to a more atheistic outlook on life and am completely content with it. i feel that just because there isn't a specific meaning in life, it doesn't mean we can't create one for ourselves. i love learning about other religions and discussing it with someone who is open-minded about the subject. there's my two cents

[Universal Mind]

Ahem... I'd just like to point out that THIS IS THE REASON WE CAN'T ALL JUST GET ALONG. After, setting this thread and leaving it, 16 posts out of 21 posts were trolls. I'd like to thank Sogart, source jedi, and homer2020 for not trolling like the vast majority of people who posted. If you had said, "Atheists and religious people are welcome here. Let's make this a thread where we all get along," I think everything would have been fine. But you began this "no trolling" thread with your own trolling. That set off countertrolling, which got you and Homer further trolling, and the trolling keeps spreading. You can't fight trolling with trolling.

[metcalfracing]

Fair enough... My appoligies for any accidental trolling I may have done. I should have been clearer in regards to the thread rules. I didn't think it would be offensive when I wrote it, but I should have read it back. I'm sorry...

[homer2020]

AHS I was just saying that if we were to have a discussion about monkies and you start telling about dogs then you are clearly off topic, I never accused anyone of being off topic, I just stated what I though trolling was. I wasn't trolling, I did what the topic said to do and responded to something I see all the time and thought it would be a good time to say something about it, then later I was still on topic in my posts (in regards to the trolling aspect of it) while responding to other posts. Also I have this feeling you think me and metcal are the same guy, still.

[AHiddenSaint]

AHS I was just saying that if we were to have a discussion about monkies and you start telling about dogs then you are clearly off topic, I never accused anyone of being off topic, I just stated what I though trolling was. I wasn't trolling, I did what the topic said to do and responded to something I see all the time and thought it would be a good time to say something about it, then later I was still on topic in my posts (in regards to the trolling aspect of it) while responding to other posts. Also I have this feeling you think me and metcal are the same guy, still. trust me it is ok. I know it just wasn't you as well. I kind of just took your reply to start off. That's the bad thing about coming into something while it's going on between everyone else. One thing I will never understand though is why do we all have to worry about God or no God? Can't we just live our life to the fullest without worry then when it happens we find out? That isn't just to you but to everyone. Let's not worry about death, but instead better ourselves here because we do it not for a reward or non-reward just to help others.

[Xaqaria]

When you explicitly ask people not to troll and then single out a specific group which you expect that trolling to come from, you gotta realize that no one is going to get along and you've just set yourself up for failure.

[♥Mark]

You see this all goes back to the cake verses pie debate. One day a man created a pie then someone else came back and said," I don't like pie because pie isn't cake." The other man came back and said," I don't like cake because cake isn't pie." Then both men created followers to go declare the other better. That's a terrible analogy, pie is obviously better. I don't understand why modern forums can't be places to exchange knowledge like they the used to be. hai 2 u welcom 2 internets This means that not all threads have to devolve into debates. Don't worry, devolution isn't real, anyway. ...I mean shouldn't doing good and treating others kindly matter more then the belief of what happens when we are dead? But the idea is that you're trying to get into heaven, not trying to do good. Well I don't know too many places in the Bible that tell me to go kill people so I don't know where people are getting this from. There's this things near the beginning of the Bible that says the exact opposite "Thou shalt not kill" Never got very far in it, huh? I can't say too many people have killed in the name of atheism (I mean what would they killing on the name of?) But I'm saying atheist killing in general or just dong morally wrong things, in which I could come up with a huge list. That would be a valid statistic. Causation and correlation are pretty much the same thing, anyway. ...See, having atleast a religion will give you a chance at fulfilling 'enlightenment' or w.e. but being athiest is basicly saying " I SUCK, HELL LOOKS FUN". Then again, if you actually believed that, you'd be following all religions, that way you're covered for sure.

[Replicon]

Well I don't know too many places in the Bible that tell me to go kill people so I don't know where people are getting this from. I didn't say the bible says so directly. I am saying that it can be inferred, if you twist the words just the right way. Some people will do whatever crimes they want, and find a way to justify it in the scriptures. And then they get followers, and things snowball from there. There's this things near the beginning of the Bible that says the exact opposite "Thou shalt not kill" Indeed, thou shalt not kill. Good thing history has shown us that it has to be taken seriously... otherwise, the muslim extremists might get some ideas and... wait a minute... Also, I found this to be highly amusing. I can't say too many people have killed in the name of atheism (I mean what would they killing on the name of?) But I'm saying atheist killing in general or just dong morally wrong things, in which I could come up with a huge list. Exactly, and everyone could come up with a huge list of both atheists and non-atheists that have murdered and butchered. That's not cause of their ideals though, that's cause they're crazy. And just to stress this fact: Just because you say your doesn't mean you are. And I'd like to stress that that sentence holds no structure. What were you trying to say?

[AHiddenSaint]

But the idea is that you're trying to get into heaven, not trying to do good. Been there well most likely my own version of it. I can put in a good word if you want me to although it has been a while since I did have the dreams related to there. I rather live my life now not worrying about what happens then. There's so much to explore and learn here.

[Universal Mind]

OH and why are athiests... well athiests? You are taking a chance that indefinately dooms you to hell. Why not just follow a religion and you might just go to heaven. But why be totally ignorant and choose to be on a team where you would only suffer in the end. Of course you could follow a religion that would suit your original views but, if its false then NOTHING will happen to you. See, having atleast a religion will give you a chance at fulfilling 'enlightenment' or w.e. but being athiest is basicly saying " I SUCK, HELL LOOKS FUN". Yeah, I guess you nailed it. It's all about being on fire. I do it all the time. Since belief is a choice, we choose not to believe something because we believe it and know that we will be tortured for not believing what we do believe.

[Universal Mind]

OH and why are athiests... well athiests? You are taking a chance that indefinately dooms you to hell. Why not just follow a religion and you might just go to heaven. But why be totally ignorant and choose to be on a team where you would only suffer in the end. Of course you could follow a religion that would suit your original views but, if its false then NOTHING will happen to you. See, having atleast a religion will give you a chance at fulfilling 'enlightenment' or w.e. but being athiest is basicly saying " I SUCK, HELL LOOKS FUN". Yeah, I guess you nailed it. It's all about being on fire. I do it all the time. Since belief is a choice, we choose not to believe something because we believe it and know that we will be set on fire for not believing what we do believe. Fair enough... My appoligies for any accidental trolling I may have done. I should have been clearer in regards to the thread rules. I didn't think it would be offensive when I wrote it, but I should have read it back. I'm sorry...