Thread: Banned From The Bible II

Originally Posted by psychology student

Man your like a lawyer trying to get God on a technicality, while not realising that he is the judge!

Lol bah I smell the Irrefutability Fallacy.

Originally Posted by psychology student

Basically the definition is "all-knowing or infinite knowledge", there is no relation with time whatsoever. So God knows everything at one fixed point. Yet it need not imply that he passively knows everything that may occur in the future.
But then you may say that how can his knowledge be "infinite", as in the definition, without applying to a temporal context. Well, this can be answered by the infinity of space.

Anyway, why should God have an awareness of the future, (if you still believe that omniscience applies to a temporal context) surely his omnipotence should allow him to prevent this gift, if he chooses, to really allow the concept of free will to flourish, and to see if his expectations are followed in a non-omniscient realistic humanistic way.

Lol. Many mistakes here. If he knows everything in a given instant, then he also knows the outcome of it. Same thing of weather forecast: if you know the characteristics of the weather now, you are able to predict what it will be like tomorow.

And if he is indeed omnipotent (which is also logically impossible), then he should have teh ability to take his omniscience ability off, yeah. But then you can't say god is omniscient anymore.

So, either god is really smart and sins don't exist, or he is a childish fool, and we disappoint him for it.

either way it contradicts people's beliefs in god lol,

Originally Posted by psychology student

Are you living in a democratic country?

Yes.

But this is completelty irrelevant and tiresome now if you plan on arguing what an "assertion" is or isn't whatever.

The main argument about sin is done when your argument is this:

Originally Posted by Psychology Student

Hey, God has free choice too! Omniscience can get boring!

I'm gone. Bye.

From now on I officially have a crush on Carôusoul xD

Originally Posted by Kromoh

And if he is indeed omnipotent (which is also logically impossible), then he should have teh ability to take his omniscience ability off, yeah. But then you can't say god is omniscient anymore.



either way it contradicts people's beliefs in god lol,

You make a big time mistake:

If he is omnipotent (all powerful) there is nothing that he cannot do, and yet you offer a limitation.

Say hypothetically I am verbally intelligent, but I decide not to speak for one day. Would it be fair and logical to then say that I am not verbally intelligent?

Originally Posted by psychology student

You make a big time mistake:

If he is omnipotent (all powerful) there is nothing that he cannot do, and yet you offer a limitation.

Say hypothetically I am verbally intelligent, but I decide not to speak for one day. Would it be fair and logical to then say that I am not verbally intelligent?

Your arguing against yourself. Seriously;


the point he is making is an example of your point.


So literally, you are arguing with yourself.


Don't respond Kromoh.


Work this one out for yourself PS. Read carefully through the responses and think.




Because right now it seems you are arguing for the sake of argument.

lol

Repeating Carou's example long ago:

If god is omnipotent, is he able to create a rock so big that he cannot lift?

If yes: then he isn't omnipotent, because he cannot lift that rock.
If no: then he isn't omnipotent, because he isn't able to create such rock.

That proves omnipotence is logically impossible.

Concerning my argument, it's hard to make false hypotheses based on false hypotheses.


EDIT: lol carou we posted simultaneously. Now I'm done being a witness for the case ^^

Originally Posted by Kromoh

lol

Repeating Carou's example long ago:

If god is omnipotent, is he able to create a rock so big that he cannot lift?

If yes: then he isn't omnipotent, because he cannot lift that rock.
If no: then he isn't omnipotent, because he isn't able to create such rock.

That proves omnipotence is logically impossible.

Concerning my argument, it's hard to make false hypotheses based on false hypotheses.

Damn you. I wanted him to figure out for himself how he was wrong; it's the only way he can learn.

I thought you'd finished?

Originally Posted by psychology student

I thought you'd finished?

Me too.


Gone.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

If god is omnipotent, is he able to create a rock so big that he cannot lift?

If yes: then he isn't omnipotent, because he cannot lift that rock.
If no: then he isn't omnipotent, because he isn't able to create such rock.

That proves omnipotence is logically impossible.

...except from a purely philosophical standpoint, if he CAN, but he DOESN'T, then his omnipotence isn't in jeapordy

But not to worry, there is a way around this:

Religions (at least most mainstream ones) hold that god has given us free will. So then, if he doesn't necessarily have control over our actions, then he isn't omnipotent. Instead of "stone he cannot lift", using "person whose will he does not have control over" works, since it's the entire basis of "faith"

Originally Posted by Replicon

Instead of "stone he cannot lift", using "person whose will he does not have control over" works, since it's the entire basis of "faith"

That is only in class #2, next monday. Then we'll also see the Present Perfect form and the cycle of water in nature. You'll all adore it!

Some people are slow to realise things