Thread: Omnipotence (Another Look at it)

Could he can't not undo things which he can't not undo even if he didn't? Of course the answer has to be yes. If he couldn't, he wouldn't be omnipotent.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

If god is Omnipotent, can he die? If he couldn't, he wouldn't be Omnipotent and if he could, he wouldn't be much of a god would he?

Discuss.

Is there really such a thing as death?

If one steps back from the immediacy of a given situation where death is percieved, one may find that what is percieved as death is merely change.

If God is everything, everywhere, all the time, then all there is -is change from one thing to another, one aspect to another, one perspective to another. There is no death.

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

There is no death.

And this would stop an omnipotent god because...

Originally Posted by Mark75

And this would stop an omnipotent god because...

Under such conditions God experiences death without being killed. How much more omnipotent can one get?

Omnipotence is an illogical idea fundamentally.

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

Under such conditions God experiences death without being killed. How much more omnipotent can one get?

I think the question meant to ask if god could kill himself with death.

Because death without being killed is



you know



not death.

Jesus?

Even though Jesus is god, they're really two completely different people so it doesn't count.

I agree with ND.

IMO, for what it's worth, the true meaning of omnipotents is doing anything that one sets out to do.

First of all, Riot Maker, that is not the actual true meaning of omnipotence (perhaps so for omnipotents, though). No argument here, check the dictionary:

om·nip·o·tent (ŏm-nĭp'ə-tənt) Pronunciation Key
adj. Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful

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But let me humor you for a second. Say what you said is the "true meaning." It still doesn't invalidate the point we are trying to make. Omnipotence is illogical. Say god sets out to make himself a burrito so hot that he himself cannot eat it. Then he sets out to eat it. Either his first or second action will display a lack of omnipotence.

Originally Posted by wasup

Either his first or second action will display a lack of omnipotence.

No, both will display a complete disregard for human logic.

Oopsies that's what I meant. My bad

A twist on the ol' "Can god create a rock that he cannot lift?", I see.

I have never had a thiest actually answer that question legitimately for me. Either that, or they claim that he is SO goddamn omnipotent that he can do it, and destroy the tenents of logic in the process.

Firstly, i agree with what gnome said, all human logic must be thrown out the window.

Secondly, the bible does not say God can do "all" things.

Thirdly, As i said in seis' thread, the bible makes note of things God cannot do.

Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. (James 1:13)
in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago, (Titus 1:2)

God, by human definition, is not omnipotent.

Omnipotence does not include the ability to fail. By defining omnipotence as requiring one to have the ability to fail, atheists have defined omnipotence as being impossible. Of course, an omnipotent God would never fail.