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      just another dreamer Kael Seoras's Avatar
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      I see, I see...forgive me, I'm pretty slow today, having not had entirely adequate sleep...but yea I see what you're saying now.

      Except one more thing I need to clarify, are you just seeing the fire as ice, or is it actually fire and ice at the same time?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kael Seoras View Post
      I see, I see...forgive me, I'm pretty slow today, having not had entirely adequate sleep...but yea I see what you're saying now.

      Except one more thing I need to clarify, are you just seeing the fire as ice, or is it actually fire and ice at the same time?
      No need for apologies you're fine. Yup you are right. You are seeing fire as ice and fire and ice at the same time.

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      just another dreamer Kael Seoras's Avatar
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      Ok so this object in question is existing as fire and ice at the same time.

      Would you say that the laws of this universe, created by omnipotent God, are perfect as is?
      Last edited by Kael Seoras; 04-09-2008 at 01:52 AM.

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      But then how could man know God at all?

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      just another dreamer Kael Seoras's Avatar
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      Seismosaur, which post is your question directed at? Mine with a question presenting an idea of a universe with perfect laws or the whole fire-being-ice thing?
      Last edited by Kael Seoras; 04-09-2008 at 02:02 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kael Seoras View Post
      Ok so this object in question is existing as fire and ice at the same time.

      Would you say that the laws of this universe, created by omnipotent God, are perfect as is?
      Perfect is an aesthetic or moral value. It is not a relevant adjective to apply to the laws of the universe. The laws are what they are.

      Our theories about the universe may be more or less accurate in their descriptions of the data. Nevertheless, the laws are not subject to our ethical judgments.

      Quote Originally Posted by Freeman Dyson View Post
      the more we examine the universe and study the details of its architecture, the more evidence we find that the universe in some sense must have known that we were coming

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ne-yo View Post
      Perfect is an aesthetic or moral value. It is not a relevant adjective to apply to the laws of the universe. The laws are what they are.

      Our theories about the universe may be more or less accurate in their descriptions of the data. Nevertheless, the laws are not subject to our ethical judgments.
      You got me there

      Ok, I just wonder, God created the universe with the laws of logic that it has, why would he do something above his own laws?

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      Perfect is flawless.

      Creating something flawed on accident is a flaw.

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      Yes, I neglected to think of that yesterday I think maybe I shouldn't be posting here until I've gotten some sleep

      Anyway, certainly there is a flaw: evil.

      Or Satan, as some like to term it.
      Last edited by Kael Seoras; 04-10-2008 at 12:58 AM.

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