Thread: What makes morality moral?

Hey ps; heres the question again!

You can't ignore it forever!


Alright so what makes the deities version of morality moral? Is it because he was first? So what if there is no god, wouldn't humans be first? So essentially if there is no god then our morals are just as reasonable to exist as a theistic moral right?

Lets put this in contrast. Say there is no deity, then all that's left is humans. If we create consciousness of some sort in another thing of our own design, lets say technological consciousness, would that mean that anything we tell them as morality is what is moral?

Psychology student, thank you for coming to this thread to say that you are not going to discuss the topic.

Alright so what makes the deities version of morality moral? Is it because he was first? So what if there is no god, wouldn't humans be first? So essentially if there is no god then our morals are just as reasonable to exist as a theistic moral right?

Theists believe that it is God's morality, thats why their version of "morality is moral".

Although, the criticism in Sandforms initial question only becomes active on the assumption that a God certainly does not exist ("So what if there is no god"). Is this certainty valid? Only if God has been proven not to exist which he has not.

Lets put this in contrast. Say there is no deity, then all that's left is humans. If we create consciousness of some sort in another thing of our own design, lets say technological consciousness, would that mean that anything we tell them as morality is what is moral?

No, because that morality would come from imperfect, non godly beings. Again, theists believe that God's morality, or theistic morality is "moral" because they believe that it becomes from God. Human morality over a technological consciousness does not seem to make an equivalent.

Originally Posted by psychology student

Alright so what makes the deities version of morality moral? Is it because he was first? So what if there is no god, wouldn't humans be first? So essentially if there is no god then our morals are just as reasonable to exist as a theistic moral right?

Theists believe that it is God's morality, thats why their version of "morality is moral".

Although, the criticism in Sandforms initial question only becomes active on the assumption that a God certainly does not exist ("So what if there is no god"). Is this certainty realistic? Only if God has been proven not to exist.

Lets put this in contrast. Say there is no deity, then all that's left is humans. If we create consciousness of some sort in another thing of our own design, lets say technological consciousness, would that mean that anything we tell them as morality is what is moral?

No, because that morality would come from imperfect, non godly beings. Again, theists believe that God's morality, or theistic morality is "moral" because they believe that it becomes from God. Human morality over a technological consciousness does not seem to make an equivalent.

Why is God's morality the true morality? That is the question.

Hey look he gave an answer instead of dodging!

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Why is God's morality the true morality? That is the question.

Theists would probably say that is where faith comes in.

Oh I see now...

Originally Posted by Omicron

He answered:

Aye I wrote that while he was answering... heh

Originally Posted by Sandform

Hey look he gave an answer instead of dodging!

if you say so.

I understand what their logic is now...its cause god is perfect!

But the problem is, perfect isn't real, because standards change.

Originally Posted by psychology student

Theists would probably say that is where faith comes in.

and is there any justification for this faith?


Anymore than the nazi commanders had faith that hitlers morality was the true morality?

Originally Posted by psychology student

if you say so.

Lol didn't you?

whose standards?

Originally Posted by psychology student

whose standards?

What?

Originally Posted by psychology student

whose standards?

Apparently every one's. I would like to know if you believe in a god or which religion you are before continuing.

Guys, he's totally correct!

God's morals are correct because god's morals are correct!

Originally Posted by Sandform

Apparently every one's. I would like to know if you believe in a god or which religion you are before continuing.

I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, of the religion Inventianity.

Originally Posted by psychology student

I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, of the religion Inventianity.

How dare you blasphemer. Russell's teapot is the only true religion...

Yeah, so why do you need to know my personal beliefs to proceed?

Originally Posted by psychology student

Yeah, so why do you need to know my personal beliefs to proceed?

Because you asked "whose" standards. You may not believe in a actual religion god, and rather just the idea that a god exists. If a random god exists from no religion, then the standards are mute because he would not impart morals.

However since this thread is revolving around a god who imparts morals...

"whose standards?"

Though shalt not kill.

Its alright to kill when <insert the many reasons he says>

Love thy neighbor.

Hate they neighbor.

Standards always change.

If you are a christian, then lets run into the standards that changed when Jesus showed up.

Meanwhile other religions have rules that were created by the religion (and thus says so) and not the gods...

I am perfect by my standards, which are all about how close somebody is to being like me. Therefore, don't eat Jello on Wednesdays.

Well, I gotta go to watch a Welsh guy kick another guys ass. Have a good day everybody, and most importantly don't let these theistic debates get in the way of positive human relations. Have a nice night.

Originally Posted by psychology student

Well, I gotta go to watch a Welsh guy kick another guys ass. Have a good day everybody, and most importantly don't let these theistic debates get in the way of positive human relations. Have a nice night.

Have fun with the violence PS.

Originally Posted by psychology student

Well, I gotta go to watch a Welsh guy kick another guys ass. Have a good day everybody, and most importantly don't let these theistic debates get in the way of positive human relations. Have a nice night.

Retreat.