Originally Posted by metcalfracing
well, for that you have to ask on simple question. Lucid or non-lucid?
A big homo gangbang in your head is just as bad as any, so long as you CHOSE to participate. Non-lucid homo gangbangs are just attempts by the devil to pursuade you against god.
To give proof of this....
You are considered an adulterer even if you only imagine it, same principle
Jesus lusted or coveted for his disciples as in the Bible it says. Lusting and coveting is like desiring and longing. There is nothing wrong for Jesus to long for his disciples, wanted and planned an action to meet them. So it is alright in his mind to think of a way to meet them.
In law, if you plot to murder someone, you are liable of that crime, if it can be proven. But you know you have already sinned the sin of murder when you hated so much as to plot.
If you lust after a married woman and plot in your mind to have her, and because it is a sin to have sex with a married woman, a sin God called adultery, then you have committed adultery. Jesus is very clear about the sin, and know that those who tried to test him had had minds with plots for adultery, and He was giving it to them. The 'lust after' is actively directed at a clearly defined sin of adultery. That is why those testers started going away from Jesus after he commented on the sin.
This principle is balance. Jesus lusted after non-sin relationship of meeting his disciples, his lusting was not related to and not sin. If however Jesus lusted after the power that Satan tempted him, then Jesus would have sinned. He turn Satan's offer away, and did not for a moment thought of a way to have it.
Thinking, dreaming, fantasy, do not necessarily have the active plotting to get the object thought about. Fantasizing of bashing someone on the face with a car is not the same as plotting a murder. If one hates the brother so much as to plot a murder, he already committed the sin without actually doing it. If however he is tempted with the fantasy of murdering, he has not gone to the side of hating to a point of active plotting, and he can just say, that was a thought but no thanks.
Therefore in dreams, I will not conclude the person has sinned, no matter what was dreamt about. However, if he wakes up and remembers the dream and starts to plot out how to make the dream come through of something that is clearly sinful, then he would have sinned.
Therefore again, the real questions is, what are considered sin and what are not. For this, do not speculate, but simply read the Bible for a clearly defined list of sins that God calls abominations. Now if God does not clearly say an item in our world is sinful, please do not impose. For instance sex is not sin. Rape is sin. Rape is immorality. Do not use the word immorality for anything that is related to sex.
By the way, temple prostitution is sin. Prostitution itself has never been called sin in the Bible. If you see the word Harlot, Whore, etc, they are always related to the idol-worship-whoredom, as clearly across the Bible as in Revelation relating to the great whore the satanic idolator-er and idol, anti-Christ. It refers to unfaithfulness to God to turn to worshiping of other gods. That is why idolatry and adultery are all lumped together as immorality. The sex itself is neutral. Food offered to idol is neutral too, but the worshiping of the idol, food or no food is sin.
Contemporary conventional Christians simply accept some general preacher's reading of the word lust without getting deeper into the words and original meanings in Hebrew and Greek, and do not do justice to the Word, causing confusion for many. It was even worse in the earlier times when Catholics say sex is sin, and husband and wife can have sex only to made babies, no condoms. The teaching has never change, but today many contemporary Christian teaching teach that sex is not sin by itself. However, someday, they will also know that many types of sex are not sin, and some types of sex are definitely sin, listed by God clearly. Incest, bestiality, homosexuality, rape, temple prostitution, and only a few others; and it is a limited short list.
Please do not simply call anything you are uncomfortable or not used to sexual sin if God did not say so. Your inhibition could be culturally tuned so differently from others; please do not impose on others. Some cannot take the look of bikinis, others are alright with them. Both not sin.
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