Thread: The Spirit

Originally Posted by tkdyo

the point of a spirit, it can somehow link the two.

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Originally Posted by tkdyo

I would guess that would be the point of a spirit, it can somehow link the two.

The problem is exactly how immaterial and material can have any connection, because it seems to contradict their definitions.

Just saying somehow doesn't fully cut it.

I never said it did, that is the point of this thread, no? saying somehow means I just know it is the theory of it, the somehow is what people would look for.

orite.

"Materialism" and "Mother" share the same root... "mater"...

We are enveloped in the mother who many feel a perceptual split from.

Her chaotic immoderation is the driving force behind matter.

There is only quantum foam, fluctuation, and flux. It's all feminine sinuous motion.

It's all relational -- patterns of Dreamtime vibration.

There is no hard fact. Just seductive spectacle and uncertainty principle.

At the deepest level, reality is inseparable from the act of conscious participation-- there is no place for an outside observer removed from what he observes.

We are not trapped in a soulless vibrating system which we are separate observers of.

We are an observing conscious system observing itself.

All is spirit.

Stop questioning and humble yourselves to it and you will feel mater's embrace again.

Originally Posted by Cyclic13

Stop questioning .

Never.

On this principle though...

There is no question...

Science proves it.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Is the uh, the spirit, Immaterial?


If so how does it in any sense interact with the material.

They are different aspects of the same stuff. Material information is the position and velocity of subatomic particles, their mass and density, electrical charge, the strong and weak nuclear forces, etc. etc. etc.. Material things aren't concrete objects really, they are just physical bits of information. Spirit is information that is not directly perceived as physical. The idea of altruism, or hate, or what a tree should look like, or the system of Politics. These are all immaterial bits of information. They are tied to material things through the pieces of paper they are written on, the brains that think about them, the computers that store information about them; but the paper, the computer and the brain are not the information. The information itself is immaterial.

The spirit is like an emergent property of the material, except that the material is also an emergent property of the spirit. There would be no house before there was an idea of a house, to only name one example of how this must be true. They are different facets of the same thing that require each other to exist.

I think we should throw some more vaguely synonymous words in here for good measure...

Semantic confusion is not enough. I DEMAND TOTAL CHAOS.

SOUL
AWARENESS
SENTIENCE
AETHER
MIND
ANIMA
CONSCIOUSNESS
DIVINITY
PSYCHE
CORE
CHI
GHOST
INTELLECT
LIFE ENERGY

Please use one of these words randomly to refer to whatever you think it means without providing any definition whatsoever. This should enhance communication tremendously.

Originally Posted by Serkat

I think we should throw some more vaguely synonymous words in here for good measure...

Semantic confusion is not enough. I DEMAND TOTAL CHAOS.

SOUL
AWARENESS
SENTIENCE
AETHER
MIND
ANIMA
CONSCIOUSNESS
DIVINITY
PSYCHE
CORE
GHOST
INTELLECT

Please use one of these words randomly to refer to whatever you think it means without providing any definition whatsoever. This should enhance communication tremendously.

You are failing as a conscious human if you can't find useful meaning when it isn't expressly dictated to you by authorities.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

They are different aspects of the same stuff. Material information is the position and velocity of subatomic particles, their mass and density, electrical charge, the strong and weak nuclear forces, etc. etc. etc.. Material things aren't concrete objects really, they are just physical bits of information. Spirit is information that is not directly perceived as physical. The idea of altruism, or hate, or what a tree should look like, or the system of Politics. These are all immaterial bits of information. They are tied to material things through the pieces of paper they are written on, the brains that think about them, the computers that store information about them; but the paper, the computer and the brain are not the information. The information itself is immaterial.

The spirit is like an emergent property of the material, except that the material is also an emergent property of the spirit. There would be no house before there was an idea of a house, to only name one example of how this must be true. They are different facets of the same thing that require each other to exist.

I get this.

I was thinking of something different.


Goodo. Its the Oxford example.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

There would be no house before there was an idea of a house, to only name one example of how this must be true. They are different facets of the same thing that require each other to exist.

Uhm, if you were forced to live in a cave, that cave becomes a house. The cave was definitely there before you decided to assign it the idea of 'home' or think of it in that sense. It ddin't just pop into existence. :/

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

You are failing as a conscious human if you can't find useful meaning when it isn't expressly dictated to you by authorities.

First of all, I don't need your college words. Secondly, what the fuck are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Serkat

First of all, I don't need your college words. Secondly, what the fuck are you talking about?

You see words such as spirit, psyche, mind, etc. as vague and possibly meaningless because they don't have a definition that has been clearly defined by authorities, and are used in a variety of different ways depending on the person and context.

Most thinking humans can gather useful meaning from words based on the context in which they are used without feeling as though they are in 'semantic confusion'. The discussion that has taken place over the last couple of pages of this thread is building the framework of a definition. That is, after all, the purpose of this thread in the first place.

In other words, participate constructively, or just shut the fuck up already.

Originally Posted by A Roxxor

Uhm, if you were forced to live in a cave, that cave becomes a house. The cave was definitely there before you decided to assign it the idea of 'home' or think of it in that sense. It ddin't just pop into existence. :/

Well, no. A cave can be a dwelling, or a living space but not a house, although I take house to be a building or structure; you may not. Even before a cave can be a dwelling though, one must arrive at the idea of what a dwelling is and what its purpose is. Even before that, one must form the idea of what a cave is, as in the idea of a hole in the side of a rock face. Before that it was just a dark spot on the rock face or perhaps even just blackness surrounded by greyness.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

You see words such as spirit, psyche, mind, etc. as vague and possibly meaningless because they don't have a definition that has been clearly defined by authorities, and are used in a variety of different ways depending on the person and context.

And you skillfully conclude this by ____________________.

Fill in the blanks.

Yeah I used plural even though it's only 1 blank.

Also you may use the back of your sheet should the provided space be insufficient for you answer.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

You see words such as spirit, psyche, mind, etc. as vague and possibly meaningless because they don't have a definition that has been clearly defined by authorities, and are used in a variety of different ways depending on the person and context.

Most thinking humans can gather useful meaning from words based on the context in which they are used without feeling as though they are in 'semantic confusion'. The discussion that has taken place over the last couple of pages of this thread is building the framework of a definition. That is, after all, the purpose of this thread in the first place.

In other words, participate constructively, or just shut the fuck up already.

You missed his point.

He was saying that those terms are thrown in as gap fillers when the spiritualist does not have sufficient reasoning for their beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Serkat

And you skillfully conclude this by ____________________.

Fill in the blanks.

Yeah I used plural even though it's only 1 blank.

Also you may use the back of your sheet should the provided space be insufficient for you answer.

Originally Posted by Serkat

some more vaguely synonymous words

TOTAL CHAOS.

use one of these words randomly to refer to whatever you think it means without providing any definition whatsoever.

That about sums things up.

Originally Posted by O'nus

You missed his point.

He was saying that those terms are thrown in as gap fillers when the spiritualist does not have sufficient reasoning for their beliefs.

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I sure hope that wasn't what he was trying to convey. If it was, he has truly poor communication skills, since he didn't respond to anyone in particular meaning he either thinks everyone is doing that, or he thinks I specifically am doing that since he responded directly after my post. If he thinks I am doing that, he also has extremely poor comprehension skills since every post I've made in this thread has clearly and simply outlined what my beliefs are and what exactly they mean.

I am sure, they will make more sense than I do


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All the little quantum physicians seem to be pretty excited
these past few years. Maybe worth looking into?

Oh my fuck dajo, lol. You just gave like an evening worth of videos, lol. Maybe I will try to watch them on a Sunday.

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Yeah, sorry, there are so many.

I'd really appreciate it and would be interested in your thoughts!

(altogether it is just a little over an hour ).

The spirit does not differentiate from anything, neither the mind, nor body, nor energy. It is simply useful to represent a different outloook on the working processes of energy and mind. That's the point, everytime you say "why is spirit necessary" you misunderstand my argument, the word itself is only necessary as long as people continue to separate spirituality and science.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

The spirit does not differentiate from anything, neither the mind, nor body, nor energy. It is simply useful to represent a different outloook on the working processes of energy and mind. That's the point, everytime you say "why is spirit necessary" you misunderstand my argument, the word itself is only necessary as long as people continue to separate spirituality and science.

So.. what is the spirit?

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It's just a word, it is as meaningful as any other. It is merely a word that implies a universe with consciousness that transcends this paradigm's perception. It is an argument that existence functions a certain way which Quantum Physics is just beginning to unravel.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

It's just a word, it is as meaningful as any other. It is merely a word that implies a universe with consciousness that transcends this paradigm's perception. It is an argument that existence functions a certain way which Quantum Physics is just beginning to unravel.

If it is beyond our perception, how are we able to even conceive of it..?

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