Thread: God's Minute

Oh wait. I misinterpreted your statement. I thought you were calling me a troll. But you were telling me not to feed the trolls. In this case, the dude that doesn't believe that lucid dreaming is possible who comes to a form about lucid dreaming to try to establish a fundamentalist ministry in the subforum devoted to debate about religion. My bad. It's sort of a touchy subject for me.

Also, sorry for double post. I guess it's acceptable by the rules of this thread

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

Will you look up raping, buying and killing young girls and post some advice on the best way to go about doing that? Or would that not be in the index...

But you've studied the bible a lot right? So you know where to find it, I'm sure.

It might be in your best interest to just stay out of this thread.

Spread the word he has risen!

Exodus 21:7-11
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

Deuteronomy 20:10-14
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

2 Samuel 12:11-14
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die."

I dont think philosopherstoned was out of line, the bible addresses rape many times in the old and new testament. Im not accustomed to threads on Dv being exclusive and private to one group while suppressing the opinions of others. No one kicks the Christians out of the atheist threads to my knowledge. I dont want to cross you Aquanina so if this post is out of line tell me and I will refrain from posting on this thread.

Well your post is on topic actually...since this is "God's Minute" and I guess you are posting scripture. But no one is allowed to troll another person's thread on these forums, period. What philosopherstoned (and some others) are trying to do here is basically trolling, even though I agree with his points...it is not what the OP is intended for and is therefore off-topic. Pretty much every thread on this forum is an atheist shitstorm...let the man have his one damn thread about God's word without having it trolled. That is all.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Pretty much every thread on this forum is an atheist shitstorm...let the man have his one damn thread about God's word without having it trolled. That is all.

lol agreed

THANK YOU, Aquanina.
There are TONS of other threads for debating religion and for taking apart the Scriptures. This isn't one of them. It's simply a devotional thread. People can argue elsewhere.

Here's what my Daily Text says. It seems to fit lol


Saturday, March*12
If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also.—John 15:20.
In many lands we do not face outright persecution, but we do meet with disdain and apathy. Consequently, we need faith and courage to endure in our work of preaching the good news with boldness. (2*Pet. 1:5-8)
Perhaps you at times find it hard to share in the ministry, or some aspect of it may seem intimidating. The apostle Paul was a bold and fearless preacher who had an excellent grasp of the truth, yet even he had times when it was a struggle for him to preach. To the Christians in Thessalonica, Paul wrote:
“After we had first suffered and been insolently treated (just as you know) in Philippi, we mustered up boldness by means of our God to speak to you the good news of God with a great deal of struggling.” (1*Thess. 2:2)
In Philippi the authorities had beaten Paul and his companion Silas with rods, thrown them into prison, and confined them in stocks.—Acts 16:16-24. w09 7/15 4:3, 4"

The problems I have with this thread is twofold:

1) The author (as has been mentioned) does not believe in lucid dreaming, and has repeatedly claimed he would not visit R/S any more (strange, I thought lying was against the 10 commandments). To me this raises strong questions about the author's motivations for posting.

2) There are many many places on the internet where people could go to have the "nice" parts of scripture quoted at them, discuss views without being attacked by the other side, etc. etc. Dreamviews is not one of them; this is a discussion forum.


Anyway, I've said my piece, so I won't post another response here. Carry on people.

Originally Posted by Photolysis

1) The author (as has been mentioned) does not believe in lucid dreaming

Well if that is true then I'd like to know what he is doing here as well.

Perhaps he enjoys the people or the dreaming threads.
I'm not a lucid dreamer for the most part, but I still enjoy the info provided. And I've used it in the past with greatly successful results.

Let the words of my mouth and the
meditation of my heart be acceptable in
Your sight, O Lord, my strength and my
Redeemer.
( Psalm 19:14 *NKJV )

The Prophet David, in this Psalm, asked God to approve
his words and thoughts as though they were offerings brought
to the altar.

Now when you think about it, God hears all of our words
and knows all of our thoughts. For; The Lord knows
the thoughts of man, that they are futile.
( Psalm 94:11 )

Therefore when we think loving thoughts and say kind
things to others, our words and our thoughts are also like
offerings brought to the altar. Thus they are loving and
pleasing to our Heavenly Father!

After all it is written; A man has joy by the answer
of his mouth, And a word spoken in due season,
how good it is! For; A word fitly spoken is
like apples of gold In settings of silver.
( Proverbs 15:23 & 25:11 )

So, be careful of the words you speak and try to
keep them soft and sweet, for you never know from day to
day, which words you'll have to eat!

Now may our Lord Jesus
Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who
has loved us and given us everlasting
consolation and good hope by grace,
comfort your hearts and establish you in
every good word and work. Amen.
( 2 Thessalonians 2:16-17 )

All My Love & Prayers,
Dave

Aquanina,

If I believe in lucid dreaming or not shouldn't make a difference on if I come here or not. Maybe like Zhaylin said, maybe I enjoy reading about it. You don't have to believe in something just to learn more about it. Anyhow, I have never disrecpeted anyone's opinion on religion here. i even mentioned that if there are others that beleive in other religions, they could post scripture from their Holy Text as well. I have never judged anyone either. People have the right to believe what they want to believe. If someone doesn't believe in Christianity or any other religion that is their decision. I'm not the one to judge. I have a couple of wonderful friends who are athiest that I love dearly. What I don't understand is why we who do beleive in some form of religion are always disrespected here. In every single thread there is some form of disrespect towards believers. In my opinion if someone is secure enough with their beliefs then they would keep all those comments to themselves. Anyway, If you feel that I should be banned for whatever reason then ban me. I'm sure there are several people here who would like to see that happen but I don't see any problems with me posting some scripture for the encouragement and uplifting of those who do believe.

And by the way, I know there are other forums out there where I can post nice parts of the Bible but there are also other sites where they can go to post disrespectful things as well.

Zhaylin,

Enjoyed the text posted on 3/12
there are many times when I find it hard to share the word of God with others but I pray on a daily basis to give me the courage and to make me strong to spread His gospel. It is easy for me when I am teaching a class at church or when I am with my Christian friends but when I am with those that don't believe, it can make it a little tough. We (my firends that are athiest) and I do have a great respect for each other's beliefs but it can still be hard when we are discussing religious topics. It is comforting to know that even the great followers of Jesus had trouble as well.

Stormcrow i am guessing you are not a follower. even though i have posted on stuff like this before I will do it one more time for you.

the actual verse for Exodus 21:7-11

7 if a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself,[a] he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.

if a hebrew was in debt he could sell himself or his children into slavery for 6 years...if they were not treated with respect they were to be set free immediately and the debt paid in full...on the 7th year..the jubillee all slaves were freed.
If you sold your daughter into slavery the owner could make her his concubine..meaning second wife...and she would be treated as royalty while she was living there. If he gave her to his son as a wife the son would honor her as a hebrew and treat her very good..and if the son takes a 2nd wife he would still treat the 1st wife as he did before..still sleeping with her and treating her as royalty. As a concubine she was allowed to return home after 6 years..as a wife she was to stay.

Deuteronomy 20:10-14

These people were the enemy of the Israelites and worshipers of false gods. Rather than just destroy them all, God told the Israelites to offer them a peace proposal. They refused and chose war. Slavery in those days by the way, is not what you think. Slaves were more like hired hands. Certainly better treated than the stereotypical black slave of the South. So that presumption is unfounded as well. It has been common practice throughout eternity for the spoils to go to the victor in battle. So I don't understand your contempt for this passage

2 Samuel 12:11-14

first of all you need to take it into context. Take anything out of text, and you screw the message up. For example, I take this question out of context, and it comes off that you approved of raping innocent wives. God was telling the men of Israel to abide by Him and His Laws, or He will not protect them when their enemies rise against Israel. For a husband, to have your wife violated like that for your own selfishness is grossly disheartening. So the premise behind this statement has nothing to do with God approving of said behavior...rather He was giving them one of many warnings. Shape up or I'm leaving, and to consequences are your own.

Please before you start taking scripture from here and there look into it first, this means verses, chapters and even books before and after the few verses you deicde to post.

Originally Posted by davej

What I don't understand is why we who do beleive in some form of religion are always disrespected here. In every single thread there is some form of disrespect towards believers. In my opinion if someone is secure enough with their beliefs then they would keep all those comments to themselves.

Completely true and very well put davej. Perhaps some are not secure enough which is reason enough to continue to come to a thread dedicated to given the creator a moment of acknowledgement. With that being said I like to post what I feel is one of the most profound topics in the scriptures.

Jesus Wept

"Jesus wept" is the shortest verse in the Holy Bible, found in John 11:35. "Jesus wept" one noun and one verb, the sentence could not be simpler in its structure yet, the complexities of its meaning defy human comprehension.

Jesus had just returned to the village of Bethany, to the home of his friends, Martha, Mary, and Lazarus, sisters and a brother who lived together. His dear friend, Lazarus, had died four days earlier, and there was intense mourning surrounding his burial place within the tomb. Lazarus’ sisters, also dear friends of Jesus, were distraught over the loss of this beloved, younger brother.

Jesus stood in the midst of the mourners in this middle Eastern scene of sorrow. He heard their cries of pain and loss, he saw tears streaming down despondent faces and the stench and ugliness of death engulfed Him like a noxious cloud. It must have been a chilling scene. In the midst of this dark moment of weeping and sorrow, Jesus felt intense pain swirling around Him, and He wept.

Here’s an important point to remember: throughout this ordeal, even as hot tears flowed from his eyes Jesus knew that, in a matter of minutes, He was going to be raising Lazarus from the dead (John 11:14). The young man would soon be up, walking around, hugging his sisters and rejoicing with his friends. So, if Jesus knew all along that Lazarus would soon be alive again, why the tears? Why would He feel such deep sorrow just before He was due to perform a joyous miracle?

When you love someone, you empathize with that person’s pain. This verse speaks volumes of the extraordinary love of Jesus Christ for each soul that He created. As Jesus observed that dark scene of death, He felt the heartbreak of those around Him. Such feelings would be painful enough, but I believe His sorrow went even deeper than that single moment in time. I believe the pain He felt as He considered death as an entity encompassed the ages – from the beginning of time until the end of the earth, and His heart was engulfed with sorrow.

Not only was the heart of Jesus intensely sensitive in itself, He was also aware of the thoughts of all the mourners around Him. Over and over in scripture, we are told that Jesus perceived the thoughts of those who were near Him (Luke 5:22; 6:8). He felt the pain we all feel when someone we love dies or when we see others suffer, but, I believe, that pain was multiplied many times over as He also felt the pain of the dozens of people surrounding Him. It was as if the terrible grief of each person present was laid upon the heart of Jesus like a suffocating pall. The heavy burden of their anguish would have been agonizing to the loving heart of the holy Christ. Jesus was being bombarded by an incredible, overwhelming sense of loss that brought Him to tears.

This heartrending sense of loss He felt for Lazarus’ death was further intensified as He considered the impact of death on mankind. This was just one situation out of countless millions throughout the world and across centuries in which death, seemed to be declaring a victory. Jesus had come to this earth to bring life, to trample death underfoot, and to bring eternity into the hearts of men and women. Yet, here He stood, observing the power death still had on the sons of men. The depth of His sorrow must have spanned the ages, past and future, and He wept for every soul who would ever lose a loved one to the clutches of death. The scripture tells us that, "He groaned in the spirit, and was troubled," John 11:33.

Originally Posted by davej

What I don't understand is why we who do beleive in some form of religion are always disrespected here.

The simple answer is that many of us, for multiple reasons, would like to see religion disappear altogether.

And here I thought the Nazi's were dying out.

Originally Posted by Zhaylin

And here I thought the Nazi's were dying out.

What a reasonable comparison.

Sieg Heil Blueline!

Congratulations Zhaylin, collect ten Godwin points and roll the dice again.

Sprechen Sie Deutsche?

"... many of us, for multiple reasons, would like to see religion disappear altogether."
How is it not appropriate?

*I am incredibly grumpy tonight so I shall leave this forum till I'm in a better mood*

I didn't say I wanted to use gas chambers. Religion can be eliminated through reason and self-exploration. This can be done by encouraging believers to look past dogma and providing accurate information pertaining to the world we live in.

Originally Posted by Zhaylin

"... many of us, for multiple reasons, would like to see religion disappear altogether."
How is it not appropriate?

Nazi's were focused on eradicating certain groups of people (jews, gypsies, the infirm/disabled/handicapped) in favor of some superior race by, you know, killing them off. How that relates to certain members of this forum wanting to see religion disappear requires a rather significant leap of faith.

Then again...leaps of faith shouldn't be unfamiliar territory for some people.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

I didn't say I wanted to use gas chambers. Religion can be eliminated through reason and self-exploration. This can be done by encouraging believers to look past dogma and providing accurate information pertaining to the world we live in.

Then again, as people like Neyo show, some people will refuse to let go of religion until they die, so...

Anyway folks, as much fun as debating this stuff is, let's save it for another thread and all not get banninated.