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      Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
      Thank you for a good response. It is a fair question.

      However, why are you neglecting all of the rest of the formula and math? What of the experiment is discovering Higgs particles? The LHC? You do not need faith for it for it is being discovered as we speak.

      What can theists possibly have to offer on a paralell level? The only thing possible is a direct revelation from god himself. The bible
      is definitely not a reliable source for any persuasion to theism.

      What do you think...?
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      The fact that science is continuing to discover things does not challenge my faith in Christ. Your question assumes science is the enemy of my faith, but it is a friend of my faith. Certainly folks living in the past understood scripture to teach this or that, and now today, we think those same scriptures teach something else. The goal is to find the truth, and science is a tool toward that end. But I have faith, that Christ is the truth, so I believe science will increase my faith.

      And what is that supposed to proof? We created the conditions 1 millioneth of a second after the Universe was created? You don't have a problem with that supposition? How does anyone know what the conditions were exactly 1 millioneth of a second after Creation? Was anyone there?

      And basing conclusions based on that supposition??

      What do I think.. I think when someone says "in the process of being discovered as we speak." It really means, (in this case) we are looking for a way to sell the the "Emperor" (the general public) a set of new cloths that only the righteous can see. But first we must package it in a way that all who seek to unravel are package can not do so..

      You video has all the signs of a classic swindle. You have a pitch man creating a problem. Like I have an inheritance stuck in the bank of Mogadishu that I just can't get too. Next he pitches a solution like: all I need is 25,000 dollars to pay the fees and taxes. in this case "The great formula" Something that only a hand full of people on this planet can truly decipherer. Then he tells you no matter how complicated it may seem, it doesn't take a mathematician to use it. He shows how a 25,000 dollar investment and a little trust will get you half of a 10,000,000 inheritance.. But Here the hitch (the limited time offer the part that creates desire in the mark to act now)

      There is a element in short supply (Higgs particle) but rest assured Everything else is in place and if you don't buy in now someone else will.


      Science used to be about observation and discovery.. Now according to your you tube clip, it is about creating a theory and then "discovering" the elements (like higgs particles and neutrinos) to complete a theory.

      To me it's like saying I'm going to build a car, and as complicated as that sounds I am simply going to "find" naturally occurring part to complete this project, but on a way way more complicated level than just building a car.
      Last edited by kingerman; 10-09-2009 at 04:58 AM.

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