Thread: I would probably give $1,000,000 to anyone that could convince me that God exists.

Originally Posted by mini0991

Why does Earth seem to be the only planet with life and water on it? I don't exactly buy the tornado-through-junkyard-makes-a-747 argument or the rare earth hypothesis. *Something* we don't immediately understand has to have at least set the constants nessecary to turn carbon and water into what exists today over a period of millions of years. The odds of it "just happening" are virtually nil.

Hate to shoot you down, mate, but...
Earth is the only planet with current life and liquid water that we know of to date (Mars ring any bells?). There are over 100 billion stars in our galaxy alone; that's 100 billion potential solar systems, each containing a series of planets that may or may not be capable of supporting life. We are a tiny speck in the universe, and I highly doubt that we are the only life-and-water-containing planet out there.

On to the second part of your argument: when Earth was very young, it was a violent place of volcanic eruptions, lightning strikes, deep sea vents, etc. Not only did these serve as sources of heat and energy to drive chemical reactions, but they also brought certain atoms and molecules together (as in volcanic eruptions) under unique circumstances that created a great diversity of molecules and compounds. The chances of water, carbon, and other elements being thrown together to create a wide diversity of chemical compounds is very far from nil-look to Io and other moons if you remain skeptical.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Hate to shoot you down, mate, but...
Earth is the only planet with current life and liquid water that we know of to date (Mars ring any bells?). There are over 100 billion stars in our galaxy alone; that's 100 billion potential solar systems, each containing a series of planets that may or may not be capable of supporting life. We are a tiny speck in the universe, and I highly doubt that we are the only life-and-water-containing planet out there.
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Not to mention that there could be lifeforms that do not require water or are not carbon based.

1. You don't have one million dollars.

2.It's a fools errand. You have no intention of even attempting to be open minded, and until you truly do, you never can.

Originally Posted by Noogah

1. You don't have one million dollars.

Shouldn't matter, really.

Originally Posted by Noogah

2.It's a fools errand. You have no intention of even attempting to be open minded, and until you truly do, you never can.

Well that was an awfully baseless attack on the offerer out of blind bias and obvious lack of evidence requested.

Originally Posted by Noogah

2.It's a fools errand. You have no intention of even attempting to be open minded, and until you truly do, you never can.

Nice video bonsay. I enjoyed it.

Originally Posted by Naiya

Nice video bonsay. I enjoyed it.

Same.

Originally Posted by TheLucid

Oh, right and don't say "God created evolution, too" Cuz if God created everything then who created God?.

So you are just going to write off arguments before they are made because you have some general way of avoiding the issue entirely? Who created God has nothing to do with the question 'whether or not' he exists. It's a seperate issue.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

A classic.

A classic fail.

Basically, he insulted people, and then labeled the insults.

Epic accomplishment to be sure. (Sarcasm, in case you didn't notice.)

Originally Posted by Noogah

2.It's a fools errand. You have no intention of even attempting to be open minded, and until you truly do, you never can.

Open mind must be backed up by extreme skepticism. If you don't :

Originally Posted by Noogah

Careful. Being too open minded will make your brains fall out.

Originally Posted by Terry Pratchet

The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it

^

That

A classic fail.
Basically, he insulted people, and then labeled the insults.
Epic accomplishment to be sure. (Sarcasm, in case you didn't notice.)

Did you mean your whole post was sarcastic or just the last line? Because I'd surely hope your entire post was a joke :3 If you really do think the video is fail, atleast I'll know that any further debate with you is going to be pretty futile

A classic fail.

Basically, he insulted people, and then labeled the insults.

Epic accomplishment to be sure. (Sarcasm, in case you didn't notice.)

I am actually disgusted that you could possibly disagree with that video. You really are an extremely dangerous person.

Did you even listen to it? Because all the narrator did was explain rationality in an extremely fair and logical way, and then explain how lacking rationality can lead to bad things. In no way at all was it 'just labelling people with insults'.

Why do you despise people who act in a rational manner?

Is it because you are afraid that acting in a rational manner would force you to let go of some of the completely insubstatiated but comforting things which you believe in, like a loving God or an afterlife?

Neither of these things have any evidence or reason to believe in other than wishfully deluding oneself so as to console yourself.

Personally I could never do something so stupid.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

Brilliant! Great video...I agree with it. Ahh...I can feel the smugness coming on...

Originally Posted by Xei

Neither of these things have any evidence or reason to believe in other than wishfully deluding oneself so as to console yourself.

Personally I could never do something so stupid.

He just hates the fact that he cannot live a proper life and endure downsides of life without that consolation.

Originally Posted by Unelias

Open mind must be backed up by extreme skepticism.

I must admit, that is an excellent point.

Originally Posted by Unelias

He just hates the fact that he cannot live a proper life and endure downsides of life without that consolation.

....oh boy! So now we're getting personal, eh? Pretty cheap tactic.

Originally Posted by Xei

Why do you despise people who act in a rational manner?

I don't call it rational. I call it a polite insult.

Basically, he very politely says...



A very polite, and decent manner, yes. But everything he says is basically just saying, "You did it, not me."

What exactly is your definition of rational? I am very interested in knowing.

A very polite, and decent manner, yes. But everything he says is basically just saying, "You did it, not me."

What exactly is your definition of rational? I am very interested in knowing.

You did what?? He's not accusing anybody of doing anything. He's talking about how scepticism is inherently open minded and dogma is not.

What I mean by rational is essentially just the set of principles explained in that video. Be open to any possibility whatsoever, but only believe in it if there is a reason and evidence which suggests that you should do so.

Please don't honestly tell me you disagree with that.

I don't disagree. I never said I did.

I act rationally. If I had no reason to be a Creationist, I wouldn't be one.

Originally Posted by Noogah

I don't disagree. I never said I did.

I act rationally. If I had no reason to be a Creationist, I wouldn't be one.

So you believe you are more intelligent and better educated than every biologist in the world?

You can't convince anyone of anything that they aren't expressly willing to believe. It doesn't matter how much money they offer you.

I'm willing to give somebody £100 ($160) if they can convince me. I'll require the standard of rationale that the video above asks for.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

So you believe you are more intelligent and better educated than every biologist in the world?

No.

Originally Posted by Noogah

I don't disagree. I never said I did.

I act rationally. If I had no reason to be a Creationist, I wouldn't be one.

If I may ask, what reason makes you think that the vast majority of biologists are dead wrong? Enlighten me, oh rational one.

Why does every single thread in R/S turn into an evolution debate? It's not even worth arguing about anymore; if people want to ignore something that is proven in the secular world due to blind faith, then no amount of evidence is going to convince them otherwise. -_-