 Originally Posted by CiD
I have no evidence to say otherwise about OBE's and dreams, but I do believe DMT is the cause of NDEs. DMT is proven to be released into the brain during birth and during death (correct me if I'm wrong). It is easy to see this specific connection. Also, my buddy smoked it and freaked out thinking he was dieing because no one told him what it was. I was also offered it, but I turned it down because I didn't know what it was.  I would however like to learn more about the link between DMT and serotonin!
Actually, it has not been proven that DMT is released during birth and death. Once again, this is only a theory. The chemical structure of DMT is almost identical to serotonin. Wikipedia will tell you everything you need to know (just search for "dmt" or "serotonin"). BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL WHEN USING THIS SUBSTANCE! I thought I would be able to handle a high dose of ayahuasca (a dose high enough to be compared to a smoked DMT experience... except for the onset of course), but felt like a fool when I couldn't walk, couldn't talk, and had to experience that I was actually just a random collection of memories, picked up habits and language, and emotions (I know this sounds like ego loss, but it wasn't. My ego was still there, just extremely mixed up). I already knew this about myself, and had experienced a complete absence of these aspects of myself before in earlier experiences with DXM (and loved it), but on DMT all these things still were still there and applied to me and affected who I was, but it was so mixed up that I couldn't comprehend anything because of it. For example, any memories or emotions I would normally associate with a ceiling fan where replaced with other random parts of myself that had nothing to do with my perception of a ceiling fan. My idea of who I was was replaced with random thoughts, memories and emotions. Because of this I felt like all my soul consisted of was random thoughts, emotions and memories (afterwards I realized it was simply my ego). I had to face the illusion of who I was (whereas on DXM these illusions were not even there to face). It was terrifying. The first 30 minutes where total bliss however. I was twisting on the floor in a random slur of thoughts and emotions, laughing and making ridiculous sounds. The first 30 minutes felt like I was pure emotion, similar to how simple a newborn baby's mind would be. It was only when I realized that I had lost myself when my trip went downhill. I tried to grasp reality but couldn't, and all I wanted was my sense of reality back. Excuse me if this was hard to understand. It is very difficult to describe the experience. Because I couldn't perceive reality the way I was supposed to, I felt like I was trapped in my own head (I suppose we are all always trapped in our own heads... but you can see what I'm saying). I was trapped in a brain that couldn't think, or at least couldn't think sanely. Its easy to see how one could feel insane on DMT.
The experience taught me a lot, but it was a tough lesson.
?? I can only go by what I read, but what you just stated, in my opinion, is quite the opposite. Dreams, OBE's and NDE's are "pretty clear headed"? Can't speak of OBE's and NDE's - but dreams sure as hell are not considered clear headed. "Weird" is a very common word people use when discussing a dream.
I've never tried DMT (would like to someday), but again, from what I've read in this book those who have gone on a full trip of it are pretty much convinced the experience was real, as in not dream-like. Or maybe that's what you meant in the first place, that DMT is not like a dream. Not because of it's distortion and foggyness, but because of how clear it actually is?
The DMT experience is foggy, because, at least for me and a few friends who have done it, a high dose of DMT basically takes all of your thoughts, emotions and perceptions (conscious and unconscious), and releases them all at once with overwhelming intensity (as I mentioned above). Everything is completely mixed up.
However, I suppose it is possible that DMT could be responsible for dreams. The way someone perceives the effects of DMT when unconscious would be pretty different then the way they would perceive it when conscious. But still, I highly doubt it. The effects are similar, yes, but the same? No, at least not when your conscious and on it. Regular dreams are not clear headed (when compared to waking life), but what about lucid dreams? I mean, some lucid dreams can be disorienting, but occasionally you will get a lucid where you are completely conscious and can think pretty normally.
When I said dreams were clear headed in my last post, I was speaking relative to the effects of DMT. In a dream, or most at least, you have a sense of individuality and know who your are. On DMT, chances are you will not. I've never had any dream like hallucinations on DMT. The visuals tends to be geometric patterns, crazy designs and extensions of reality (shifting walls, trailers, after images, moving patterns on the carpet), although some people report seeing "entities" on it. What I'm trying to say is that the theory DMT plays a part in dreams is conceivable to me, but dreams have always seemed far more amazing to me then even the strongest DMT trip I've ever had. DMT has always felt far more unnatural to me then dreams, like its inducing its insights in all the wrong ways, or at least its effects were not meant to be experienced when your conscious.
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