Thread: Marijuana + Wbtb

I have been off weed for nine weeks as of today. In the past few weeks, my dreams have gotten very vivid and cool, and my dream recall has gotten much better. I had my first luicd in ages a few weeks ago. But my lucid dreaming has not gotten back to where it has been before. I have woken up a bunch of mornings really pissed off because of the WILDs I could have had but didn't have. However, at least I have a shot at having lucids now. When I am in an every day pot phase, lucid dreaming is close to impossible. The very few times I have ever pulled it off at all in a pot phase, the lucidity only lasted a few seconds.

I am not sure what a rare joint would do to an immediate night of sleep. I can see it fogging up my dreams the entire night, but I am not sure. I have not been able to smoke pot once a week or less since I first started smoking it. For the past thirteen years, I have been either in or out. When I am in, I do it every day. When I am out, I do it none, but I end up being able to have lucid dreams.

I smoke b0ngs only. Joints dont get me high...I smoked 3 joints 2 days ago while working and my dream recall/vividness was pretty good...god damn chemical tolerance.

Then smoke less frequently. I remember the days I used to toke up daily. It was new to me and I was enthusiastic. But I stopped getting high and only got lame, so I stopped smoking for a couple of months and then started smoking sporadically. usually only in weekends. I got high almost like the very first time I got high on Marijuana.

Hey man, respect for coming up with this experiment, I'll have to try it. I'm a chronic smoker but not a chronic LDer unfortunately. I have noticed a few things going to bed high though. Slipping into a dream is definitely a lot quicker, because clearing your mind is a lot easier. I usually experience close-eyed visuals for the first few minutes after shutting them, stronger in relation to when i last smoked. I think vividness increases, as you said, after a couple hours of smoking. It's that after-effect that allows me to be high and focused at the same time, with a lot of that focus on creativity. I'd say meditation might help a bit too. Right when you start feeling burned out, before you head into dreamland it wouldn't hurt to do some house keeping. After i get a fresh bag i'll let you know how this turns out

Ok i recently have quie marijuana but used to smoke it on a semi daily basis.
I've only had one full lucid dream (possible a second today, but I have to confirm that)

but that lucid dream would almost perfectly correspond to a week or 2 of me quitting weed or so, This was a while ago. It was very vivid and lately I have found that my dreams and no way as near as they once were and i also realise that during the weed smoking period i cannot actually remember much dreams at all.

I have slipped up many times in my quitting, and to date now ive been of weed for a few weeks now, and this morning had a very vivid dream, possibly lucid.

so I am too very interested in your 'reasearch'

happy dreaming, and good lucky, ducky.

I've found Hash to work better for this purpose. Since I only smoke hash my dreans have been way vivid and much more memorable.

I had another Experimentation topic about combining Stimulants, like Coffee or Energy Drink, with Depressants, like Alcohol or Marijuana/Hash to simulate the contradictive unity between sleepyness and wakefullness as experienced in Lucidity.

I don't know if the Topic has been burried in the Lucid Aids Board or wether it has been moved to this board. Anyhow, I've got some good hash and my next experiment will be with Coffee and Hash.

Before bedtime, which is soon, I will drink 1 cup of Coffee and smoke 1 Hash-joint with it.
If I can't find the Stimulat/Depressant-topic back I'll continue reporting this experiment here.

And I'm sure im not alone in looking forward to your results

thanks again, Ducky

I think marijuana just makes it harder to remember your dreams, rather than repress them.

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

I think marijuana just makes it harder to remember your dreams, rather than repress them.

The properites of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) do not effect the production of acetylcholine or, at least, dramatically effect the process of falling asleep.

The most active receptors of THC are within the hippocampus which is where memory is stored. Activity within the hippocampus with THC will produced sporadic dreaming, but would most likely not help with much else other than that. So, you'll dream as though you're projecting your sporadic, short attention spanned, thoughts.

I hope that was enlightening.
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actually for me THC seems to strengthen my attention span incredibly wereas by nature I have ADD and thus a hard time concentrating in general.

In my coffee hash experiment I DID smoke another hash joint, but didn't drink another coffee since I already had 2 cups earlier that day and I didn't want to take the chance of having another insomniac night. Although I've never really had a problem sleeping right after a cup of coffee, just to be sure.

Well I didn't remember my dreams that night at all, so next time I've got hash I will not drink any coffee the entire day and then, right before bedtime, drink 2 cups of coffee while smoking 1 hash joint.

But I won't be smoking hash for an undecided period now, because I'm currently enjoying a wonderfully intense REM-rebound effect. I'll get back with results after my next hash/coffee experiment.

Great experiment..

I'm still a newcomer when it comes to LDs. I started journaling my dreams here over a week ago but so far I have found dream recall extremely difficult. Much of my reading on the net suggests that my marijuana habit is the biggest problem... I smoke several times a day, and have been for a few years now, and I am toying with the idea of quitting.

But first I need to ask if anyone here has had success with dream recall and LDs while maintaining a daily smoking habit. I don't want to quit if I don't have to, maybe I just need to keep working at it. Last time I had to quit smoking (for an overseas gig) I had intensely vivid dreams, but I didn't know about LDing at all at the time.

What are your experiences with all this guys?

thats why I smoke hash/weed somewhat like this:
-Buy some and smoke it for 3 days/5 days in a row (depending on how much I bought)
-Stop smoking for a week or 2, Experience a heavy REM-rebound; Intense dreams.
-Wait till the REM-rebound tapers off.
-Buy some more and smoke it....Etc and Repeat.

It's good for two things:
1- You allow your THC tolerance to drop so you get much more significantly high when you DO smoke, and..
2- You will be in a sort of near-constant state of REM-rebound with mad and vivid dreams that are memorable in detail.

Originally Posted by SKA

It's good for two things:
1- You allow your THC tolerance to drop so you get much more significantly high when you DO smoke, and..
2- You will be in a sort of near-constant state of REM-rebound with mad and vivid dreams that are memorable in detail.

I wish I had as much control. ;P

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

I wish I had as much control. ;P

Exactly, that's my problem. And also I'm too in love with the stuff to ever not have it in the first place. Hm... maybe I'm in the wrong forum.

Marijuana doesn't help with lucid dreaming at all. I've tried weed before bed at night, before naps to attempt WILD, everything. The most promising was the WILD method, but even then it's stupidly hard to pull off because the weed clouds your brain.

Everyone would do best to stop smoking if you want lucid dreams, because marijuana will absolutely 100% prohibit it from happening. The only time I dream after I've smoked is when I get drunk too. So, long story short:

Marijuana is worthless to induce lucid dreaming.

Originally Posted by SKA

We all know that Weed, like all ''Depressants'' such as Alcohol and alot of Sleep Medications, surpress REM-sleep, leaving you with little to no Dreams while sleeping way Deep.
However After Long term Marijuana effects of Chronic smokers wear off it leads to an REM-rebound: This is something most Weed-smokers notice when they stop for a longer Period. it gives them a period of extraordinairy vivid, clear and well remembered Dreams. Now My Idea with this Topic was to induce this REM-rebound but then Immediately after the effects of 1 smoking Session wear off.

After Smoking a Joint it Usually eaves you high and under it's effects for about 4 hours untill all of the Effects are gone of which only Maximally the first hour you will be really significantly high.

I'm gunna save quite alot to smoke right before Bedtime. First I'll set my Alarm Clock to go off aproximately 5 to 6 hours after having fallen asleep. Then I'm gunna Try smoking weed untill I'm REDICULOUSLY stoned and right after finishing I will lay down to sleep. This would make me Drop into a Comatically Deep sleep with little Dreaming. When my AlarmClock goes off I will briefly wake up, sit up in bed, do some simple Reality Checks and Remind myself to Become Lucid uppon Re-entering my Dreams. Then I will go back to sleep to catch about another 2 to 3 hours of sleep.

Hopefully the weed-high, which by then will have worn off for a long time, made me have all my Deep, Dreamless Sleep in those 5 to 6 hours of sleep just had. And If I am right the next 2 to 3 hours of Sleep will be much lighter Sleep with incredibly vivid, Clear and well-memorable dreams due to an Immediate REM-rebound.
I hope I can do this experiment together with other Cannabis smokers.If this experiment leads to No or Deteriorated DreamVividness and/or Dream Recall we can do a series of following experiments where we Smoke weed 15 minutes earlier than in the previous experiment. And so on.
It is handy to report how many Joints you smoked.

More results from different people will deliver more acurate trustworthy results.
So are there any other Cannabis smokers who would like to try this same experiment together with me?
I'll be glad to find this out.

I'd be happy to join in on this experiment with you. I used to be a daily smoker, and quit partially due to the fact that it DESTROYED my dream recall. After I quit I did experience REM rebound.

Now I only smoke weekly, sometimes less. This weekend I'm going to have a couple smokes, so I'll tune everyone in on Monday concerning the quality of dreams I have during the days that I smoke (Friday, Saturday) and the night of the day I stop (Sunday).

Cannabis is something no one should do everyday. Occasional smoking, however, in my personal opinion, is not bad, as long as its quality smoke (to avoid lung damage, and I also would have to say cheaper stuff contains way more chemicals and is treated like crap. When I used to smoke low quality stuff it would leave me with a hangover the next day) and on a day you don't have much to do. I don't, however, recommend anyone who isn't a smoker or who has quit to start up. Despite what people say, cannabis is addictive. The addiction creeps up on you, usually because you think you can't get addicted, and before you know it your hooked. Plus SKA is totally correct. Marijuana destroys dream recall.

I was just wondering where should I post this, so I found this topic. The last like 5-6 times I always have lucid dreams, and mostly whitout even rc-ing, I just think and see I am in lucid or some shit like this, but it mostly happen if I smoke like 2-4 hours before going to sleep. A friend of mine even wants to smoke like 2-3 grams in a while just for the lucid. Its not vivider or something, but since I have like 5-6 lucids in month or something like that, I find it cool.

Smoked last night, 4-5 hours before going to sleep and 2 more lucids. But I notice that the dreams are comming after at least 6.30 hours of sleeping. And getting even more. I even have a theory (which is probably wrong), that marijuana fucks your REM period of sleep, and you dont REM much in the first hours of sleeping (I mean lesser then in normal sleep, whitout marijuana) and since you need REM, after the effect is fully weared off(in the last hours) you get better and longer REM > better dreaming > better lucid. But if it is WBTB I dont think it would work that way.

I think the problem with this setting, is that thc takes a long time to leave your body...it isnt like anandamide you know.
I dont think the dream rebound occurs after not having a joint for a few hours. I think it occurs a day after you stopped smoking.

The theory behind this mechanism seems waterproof though, you only need a substance resembling anandamide more in halftime.

If there are chemists here, then try some THC-O-Phosphate..it isnt a regular substance though, so its probable hard to get, or has to be made for this purpose.. they use it in laboratories to test thc on rats because it can be injected. Anyway.. because its a water soluble substance..it will break down much much much faster, and i guess one has significant more chance to use this as method to get intensified dreams.

Well when I smoke it completely destroys my short term memory
I don't think that weed kills your dream recall because it "suppresses REM sleep" ...I'm thinking that it's strictly because of the actual effects from it.

First of all, with a little control over yourself so your tolerance isn't too high... like you smoke on weekends or something, weed is a better substance than all three without a doubt. About 4 days ago I haden't smoked in about 3 days which was great... then instead of getting normal high i experienced temporary blindness for the first time in my life... sour d's and jack frost kill ya

Cigs make you feel like your gonna die and if your not screwed up you feel like a POS. Alcohol can be great but there is a fine line between getting sloshed and having stomach problems and a hang over.

Weed affects your hippocampus in your brain. This part of the brain is responsible for the storage of short term memories. Obviously if you screw with it enough for too long, it starts to have problems so there is a side effect to weed.

LD is my getaway from substances as well. On those nights when people come over and i get stoned I do the same thing... set my alarm for about 4-5 hours ahead, wake up and try and induce a LD. When I get drunk I don't even give myself a chance... recently i've been getting black out drunk from not much at all... where i'll literally talk to my girlfriend through my subconscious and not even remember how i got back to my apartment in the morning... while i guess giving her a hard time lol.

What it comes down too, if you drink too much just give up on LD for the night. If you smoke weed you have a chance at WILD'ing. If you quit weed... congrats (I can honestly say i've been addicted to marijuana) and LD's come so much easier.

i would love to try this with you as i have been wondering what my cannabis sessions are doing to my recall so if you want to talk more pm me thanks

hi i would be intrested in doing some tests i have been smoking cannabis daily for about 5 years i have had bad recall since i started last week but i have different types and strenghs of weed and hash so get back to of.

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

First of all I believe this post should be blocked... Why? Because Marijuana is an illegal drug and this website may have young viewers who come across this thread and read it.. Who know's after they read it they maybe influenced to try smoking Marijuana, even though that was not your intention..

Myself (and ex pot smoker) at my peak of smoking weed, would smoke a half ounce a day.. I can tell you that all marijuana did was kill my dream recall...

I just dont think that marijuana should even be involved with dreaming or in anybody's life.. What good is marijuana besides for medical use?

Half an ounce a day? You smoked 14 joints a day? Pretty used comes as BS to me. And what if it is illegal? Law is a poor excuse for morale. If slavery was still legal would it be ok? Go on the net and find the facts about Cannabis, the real name for it.