Marijuana + Wbtb

[SKA]

We all know that Weed, like all ''Depressants'' such as Alcohol and alot of Sleep Medications, surpress REM-sleep, leaving you with little to no Dreams while sleeping way Deep. However After Long term Marijuana effects of Chronic smokers wear off it leads to an REM-rebound: This is something most Weed-smokers notice when they stop for a longer Period. it gives them a period of extraordinairy vivid, clear and well remembered Dreams. Now My Idea with this Topic was to induce this REM-rebound but then Immediately after the effects of 1 smoking Session wear off. After Smoking a Joint it Usually eaves you high and under it's effects for about 4 hours untill all of the Effects are gone of which only Maximally the first hour you will be really significantly high. I'm gunna save quite alot to smoke right before Bedtime. First I'll set my Alarm Clock to go off aproximately 5 to 6 hours after having fallen asleep. Then I'm gunna Try smoking weed untill I'm REDICULOUSLY stoned and right after finishing I will lay down to sleep. This would make me Drop into a Comatically Deep sleep with little Dreaming. When my AlarmClock goes off I will briefly wake up, sit up in bed, do some simple Reality Checks and Remind myself to Become Lucid uppon Re-entering my Dreams. Then I will go back to sleep to catch about another 2 to 3 hours of sleep. Hopefully the weed-high, which by then will have worn off for a long time, made me have all my Deep, Dreamless Sleep in those 5 to 6 hours of sleep just had. And If I am right the next 2 to 3 hours of Sleep will be much lighter Sleep with incredibly vivid, Clear and well-memorable dreams due to an Immediate REM-rebound. I hope I can do this experiment together with other Cannabis smokers.If this experiment leads to No or Deteriorated DreamVividness and/or Dream Recall we can do a series of following experiments where we Smoke weed 15 minutes earlier than in the previous experiment. And so on. It is handy to report how many Joints you smoked. More results from different people will deliver more acurate trustworthy results. So are there any other Cannabis smokers who would like to try this same experiment together with me? I'll be glad to find this out.

[Awakener]

Id be willing to try this if I had the benefit of actually having a lucid dream yet...but im trying to go sober as I can until I get one..I mean if I smoke in the evening I find I usually won't dream at all that night.

[Taiji X]

Id be willing to try this if I had the benefit of actually having a lucid dream yet...but im trying to go sober as I can until I get one..I mean if I smoke in the evening I find I usually won't dream at all that night. [/b] i would love to join you on this experiment but i've sworn off the booze and smokes.. lucid dreaming is my REPLACEMENT for tripping out in real life

[SKA]

i would love to join you on this experiment but i've sworn off the booze and smokes.. lucid dreaming is my REPLACEMENT for tripping out in real life [/b] Well Stopping with Boozing is a good thing to do to save your Liver and Braincells from Murder by Alcohol. Smoking anything isn't really great for your lungs off course, but besides that at least Marijuana doesn't do any Cell Damage like alcohol does. I reckon that smoking on a too frequent basis does make one overall buzzed and dull-ish. I only smoke about weekly. Sometimes less. That way smoking Marijuana doesn't really Supress REM-sleep at all. It is more the Chronic Cannabis smoker that suffers from a seriously surpressed REM-sleep. I agree: Lucid Dreaaming is Trippy as shit, but nothing in Real waking Life trips quite as magically as Magical mushrooms do though But in general there is no Deeper, more Mystical State of Mind than Dreaming. I found that I only had terribly surpressed Dreaming Sleep during the days I smoked Chronically and almost dayly. It is because you don't give yourself the time to sober out again so the Marijuana High Builds up and stays around as you keep smoking Dayly. Then it will kill dreaming and Dream recall. However now that I smoke about 3 days every week or less I have excellent and plenty of dreams . I believe this is due to instant REM-rebounds. With this I wanna play around. I have had many lucids in he past but haven't had one in a while. My Dream Recall isn't quite in topshape either. So I'm gunna try this now. It doesn't matter if you're having Lucids ATM or not: cuz I don't right now. I would actually like to see that my DreamVividness is boosted by these REM-rebounds during the Sober periods in between the times I smoke Cannabis. Any Cannabis smokers who are willing to try this out with me should let me know. I think we should make an agreement on how much to smoke before sleeping. We should Smoke about the Same amount of Weed to get somewhat Acurate results too.

[Howie]

I can't help it... But in a sense you may be on to something. I know three Chronic smokers. Once they wake up from their 23 year dream they will notice they are still delivering pizza and living at home.

[Tweek]

I can't help it... But in a sense you may be on to something. I know three Chronic smokers. Once they wake up from their 23 year dream they will notice they are still delivering pizza and living at home. [/b] That's where "we" laugh at you. I know doctors and successful lawyers that are occasional tokers. So if that's how you want to think about smokers it's all you. You are the kind of people that put a bad rep. for them. The only reason that you might not hear of successful tokers is because they are smarter than to talk about it and let everyone know they smoke weed. There's some red necks that hunt, and there's some very respectable people that hunt. There are also those that think every hunter is a crazy red neck. I'm sure there's people that smoke and make more money than you do howitzer. I'm not saying marijuana is a good thing this is just my opinion.

[thealchemist]

Some of the most successful people I know smoke all the time. Additionally my father is a doctor, and although he has never smoked he has revealed to me that he knows several brilliant minds in the medical community whom smoke (not on the job of course.) So I think you guys are right, it affects people differently. Anywho, Ska I'm in. I find that if I don't smoke for about three days, my dreaming/recall improves. I was going to do some testing with waiting three days, but this seems really interesting and more fun. good luck p.s. definitely hitting up the Netherlands someday heh

[a dude]

hmmm, ill have to try that.

[SKA]

I can't help it... But in a sense you may be on to something. I know three Chronic smokers. Once they wake up from their 23 year dream they will notice they are still delivering pizza and living at home[/b] Yeah I know a couple of those Chronic Cannabis Smokers. They are basically in a constant buzz and they do not even get really high anymore. They smoke Joints as if they were smoking Cigarettes and whenever one of them passes me a Joint I nearly tumble and drop down cuz they put rediculous amounts of weed in it. It's sad cuz they smoke dayly, don't get high and are in a constant slowness-buzz. This is the perfect way to waste the potentially great effects Cannabis CAn have if you were to smoke it Mindfully like I do. funny how they all dropped out and never planned on studying any further. Now they're stuck in hard labour-jobs for the rest of their lives. But this has also got to do with these peoples Characters. Cuz there's even people who are HOOKED on Coffee. You can Recognise them by their Stressed behaviour and their Neurotic twichtes and restlessness. It is weakness. Same for people who get hooked on Gambling and Alcohol...etc They are the people that tend to overdo everything untill it has no longer got any use and has just become a bad habit. hmmm, ill have to try that. [/b] Allright. Good that's one fellow Participant I assume. Tomorrow I will go and get Weed. I will be getting some really good Quality weed from my favorite Coffeeshop downtown. I'll try and document as acurately as I can the amount of weed I'll smoke tomorrow night. And I will post it together wit the Results, or lack thereof, the next morning. I'm gunna need more Participants though. Minimally 3 more participants.

[Phalangees]

I was kind of confused when you said you were gonna go to a coffee shop to get some weed. Then I saw that you lived in the Netherlands. I've never smoked anything or drank any alcohol. I wouldn't have any idea as to where I would get weed without getting caught by asking around. it'd be tricky.

[eclectic_dreamer]

i've experienced similar things, a while ago when i was smoking daily..i'd come home from work and smoke a pipe..so i'd be stoned for about an hour or 2, then have a about an hour nap. After waking from this nap i'd have dinner, watch some tv and go to sleep, as soon as i'd fall asleep i'd become lucid...WBTB by far is the most successful technique for me for lucids, whether the weed had anything to do with it or not..i don't know.

[Sparrower]

Ill do this experiment with you. I smoke a ridiculous amount, and so i only remember my dreams when i take melatonin. Im all out right now but will get more tomorrow. Meanwhile, i will smoke right before bed and try wbtb after 5 hrs.

[Burns]

SKA, if you are looking to recruit members for an experiment, this thread may be better suited for the Research forum. Let me know if you want it moved.

[spiritofthewolf]

First of all I believe this post should be blocked... Why? Because Marijuana is an illegal drug and this website may have young viewers who come across this thread and read it.. Who know's after they read it they maybe influenced to try smoking Marijuana, even though that was not your intention.. Myself (and ex pot smoker) at my peak of smoking weed, would smoke a half ounce a day.. I can tell you that all marijuana did was kill my dream recall... I just dont think that marijuana should even be involved with dreaming or in anybody's life.. What good is marijuana besides for medical use?

[SKA]

Yeah that might be a good idea to move it to Research. Go ahead mods. First of all I believe this post should be blocked... Why? Because Marijuana is an illegal drug and this website may have young viewers who come across this thread and read it.. Who know's after they read it they maybe influenced to try smoking Marijuana, even though that was not your intention.. Myself (and ex pot smoker) at my peak of smoking weed, would smoke a half ounce a day.. I can tell you that all marijuana did was kill my dream recall... I just dont think that marijuana should even be involved with dreaming or in anybody's life.. What good is marijuana besides for medical use? [/b] Okay I see. The fact that Marijuana is illegal doesn't mean it is a bad thing. Cuz what is ''Bad'' really? Who decides? The Truth about Marijuana is that it is no Worse for your Health than Smoking Tobacco. In fact Cannabis's active Substance: THC is a non-toxic hemical that does no Damage to human cells at all. However the Sale of Cigarettes is Legal. Strange isn't it? Alcohol floods richly throughout the World, certainly in the United States. Alcohol kills tens of thousands of people every year. I don't even wanna know what the International Yearly Alcohol related Death-toll is o_Õ In Traffic accidents, Alcohol induced Violence...etc. Alcohol is strongly addtictive. Alcohol is highly Toxic, Kills brain- and Liver cells, often makes people violent or sexually herassing others. And Alcohol is Legal? Strange world isn't it? So who are you to define Good and Bad? And how about this: I've heard of a bar fight, even seen it maybe once or twice, but I have NEVER EVER seen a Coffeeshop-Fight. Stoned people are just too relaxed and at peace to even concinder harming or herassing someone. And to your Question What Good is Marijuana besides medical use: WELL, Imagine you have had ADHD all your life and lost the hyperactivity during your teenages, but still have the same overwhelming amount of energy and business going on inside your head. (ADD) It's sometimes like your Spontanious thoughtprocess goes completely hectic and your having miljions of spontanious thoughts crossing your Mind every 3 seconds. Can you Imagine how that would drive you mad? And can you imagine how hard it is to Concentrate on any activity like reading a book, paying attention at schoolclasses...etc? This is called ADD. Which is a shame cuz my IQ test sais I have a very high intelligence. And in a way I see Marijuana as a sort of Self medication. When I smoke Marijuana The Hectic Chaos in my mind slows down to a reasonable stream of thought, which is much clearer, calmer and Focussed. If I smoke 1 joint and then start to work on a piece of art I have been wanting to make for some time I suddenly find it Much easier to concentrate and not get distracted from my work: Normally I am quite easily Distracted by inner thoughts or external stimuli. I've had lots of medicatins for my ADD but noe seemed to really work; Most turned me into a slow-motion, doped up zombie, others gave me dizzymaking high heartratees and rediculously low bloodpressure...etc All these Pharmaceuticalls failed to calm my Mind in a Clear way and had more nasty sideeffects than actual intended effects. And I forgot to mention that most of these Medications were quite toxic on my liver which has lead to me having a weak liver. No man I'd rather smoke a Joint sometimes to take the edge off of the Hectic Chaos in my Head. No list of Side-effects, no physical harmfullness/Toxicity. Just a mental peace that helps me Concentrate better and stronger at the price your health pays from smoking. I have found that smoking Marijuana when my Mind is hectic and jumbled really helps alot calming down my mind, making it clear and therefor much easier to concentrate. Well for me THAT is what smoking Marijuana is good for. besides it opens up quite a usefull state of Mind: The Creative state of Mind. This allows me to Draw, paint, write Music..etc from the Creative Inspirations from this State of Mind Pretty interresting and usefull for someone who wishes to start a Carreer in Graphic Arts. And what about weed? Should we just all hush up about it? pretend it doesn't exist and must we all Ignore the fact that allthough it's illegal MANY people smoke it? I'll tell you what: Smoking a joint is no ''worse'' a ''Shame'' than smoking a cigarette. I find it a shame to encounter the same Sentiment I've witnessed so many times before: If it is an Ethical and Sensative, Debatable and Controversive Question: avoid it, don't speak of it, Ignore it and lock it away. I think we should be able to talk openly about these matters so that people are properly informned of the objective truth. Not just what Mama thinks. Then persons can decide themselves what they find ''Right" and ''Wrong'' instead of just being Told. Besides here's such a bit of Ojective Truth about Marijuana I've found on Weed&Driving here: Check this out. And another thing spiritofthewolf: You used to Smoke HALF AN OUNCE a day? Sweet Jesus. If I had half an ounce it would have taken about almost 2 weeks to smoke that up. In that case Cannabis does more harm than it doesn good. But it certainly does it's good. If you don't smoke half an ounce a day off course, Cuz DAMN that is aLOT of weed for one day.

[Alprazolam]

Yeah that might be a good idea to move it to Research. Go ahead mods. Okay I see. The fact that Marijuana is illegal doesn't mean it is a bad thing. Cuz what is ''Bad'' really? Who decides? The Truth about Marijuana is that it is no Worse for your Health than Smoking Tobacco. In fact Cannabis's active Substance: THC is a non-toxic hemical that does no Damage to human cells at all. However the Sale of Cigarettes is Legal. Strange isn't it? Alcohol floods richly throughout the World, certainly in the United States. Alcohol kills tens of thousands of people every year. I don't even wanna know what the International Yearly Alcohol related Death-toll is o_Õ In Traffic accidents, Alcohol induced Violence...etc. Alcohol is strongly addtictive. Alcohol is highly Toxic, Kills brain- and Liver cells, often makes people violent or sexually herassing others. And Alcohol is Legal? Strange world isn't it? So who are you to define Good and Bad? And how about this: I've heard of a bar fight, even seen it maybe once or twice, but I have NEVER EVER seen a Coffeeshop-Fight. Stoned people are just too relaxed and at peace to even concinder harming or herassing someone. And to your Question What Good is Marijuana besides medical use: WELL, Imagine you have had ADHD all your life and lost the hyperactivity during your teenages, but still have the same overwhelming amount of energy and business going on inside your head. (ADD) It's sometimes like your Spontanious thoughtprocess goes completely hectic and your having miljions of spontanious thoughts crossing your Mind every 3 seconds. Can you Imagine how that would drive you mad? And can you imagine how hard it is to Concentrate on any activity like reading a book, paying attention at schoolclasses...etc? This is called ADD. Which is a shame cuz my IQ test sais I have a very high intelligence. And in a way I see Marijuana as a sort of Self medication. When I smoke Marijuana The Hectic Chaos in my mind slows down to a reasonable stream of thought, which is much clearer, calmer and Focussed. If I smoke 1 joint and then start to work on a piece of art I have been wanting to make for some time I suddenly find it Much easier to concentrate and not get distracted from my work: Normally I am quite easily Distracted by inner thoughts or external stimuli. I've had lots of medicatins for my ADD but noe seemed to really work; Most turned me into a slow-motion, doped up zombie, others gave me dizzymaking high heartratees and rediculously low bloodpressure...etc All these Pharmaceuticalls failed to calm my Mind in a Clear way and had more nasty sideeffects than actual intended effects. And I forgot to mention that most of these Medications were quite toxic on my liver which has lead to me having a weak liver. No man I'd rather smoke a Joint sometimes to take the edge off of the Hectic Chaos in my Head. No list of Side-effects, no physical harmfullness/Toxicity. Just a mental peace that helps me Concentrate better and stronger at the price your health pays from smoking. I have found that smoking Marijuana when my Mind is hectic and jumbled really helps alot calming down my mind, making it clear and therefor much easier to concentrate. Well for me THAT is what smoking Marijuana is good for. besides it opens up quite a usefull state of Mind: The Creative state of Mind. This allows me to Draw, paint, write Music..etc from the Creative Inspirations from this State of Mind Pretty interresting and usefull for someone who wishes to start a Carreer in Graphic Arts. And what about weed? Should we just all hush up about it? pretend it doesn't exist and must we all Ignore the fact that allthough it's illegal MANY people smoke it? I'll tell you what: Smoking a joint is no ''worse'' a ''Shame'' than smoking a cigarette. I find it a shame to encounter the same Sentiment I've witnessed so many times before: If it is an Ethical and Sensative, Debatable and Controversive Question: avoid it, don't speak of it, Ignore it and lock it away. I think we should be able to talk openly about these matters so that people are properly informned of the objective truth. Not just what Mama thinks. Then persons can decide themselves what they find ''Right" and ''Wrong'' instead of just being Told. Besides here's such a bit of Ojective Truth about Marijuana I've found on Weed&Driving here: Check this out. And another thing spiritofthewolf: You used to Smoke HALF AN OUNCE a day? Sweet Jesus. If I had half an ounce it would have taken about almost 2 weeks to smoke that up. In that case Cannabis does more harm than it doesn good. But it certainly does it's good. If you don't smoke half an ounce a day off course, Cuz DAMN that is aLOT of weed for one day.[/b] Not to bring up an old subject, but I found this quite annoying. I think you missed the original meaning of his post. That a child or someone who otherwise wouldn't be influenced to smoke Weed could stumble across this. Then you go off on the whole "Weed is safe" spill. I really don't care what you say, I know I wouldn't want my little brother "theoretically" stumbling across this, weather you think its safe or not. I'm not preaching, I am an ex pot/drug user. My major is currently Psychology and I have been the the Drug and Alcohal course- I am well versed in this realm. Also, after smoking marijuana you do not fall directly into a deep stage of sleep (Stage 4 or 5). It is impossible. Your brain MUST work its way through each stage consecutively. If your brain notices that you are ever falling asleep to quickly, you will be jerked awake. However marijuana may have been shown to help you work through these stages quicker, and wallow in the deeper ones for a bit longer. It's obvious that this topic wont be closed, so let me help you out. When you say "joints" and list how many someone has smoked, your flawing your own experiment. Not everyone smokes a Joint. Not every joint contains the same amount of weed. Typically it is .5.-.7 grams. Some are .2-.4 and others can be packed to about 1.0 grams. Also, everyones tolerance is totally different. Someone could smoke a 1.5gram blunt and be lost, and the person next to them could smoke it and just have a moderate head change. I think you see where this is going..... (Also, your signature....It's quite ignorant and obnoxious- Way to misrepresent what most true believers of Ganja believe. You are in fact speaking out and judging the "others" that speak out and judge against you. Your riding the same boat....) (Do you smoke occasionally? Or is it 98% of the time like your signature says? Not a real question, I couldn't care less) Good luck! My advice- Stick with regular sleep patterns, maybe miss alot of sleep for a day or two to miss some REM periods, which your mind will then make up for during the following nights of sleep. (By the way, I have been clincally diagnosed with OCD and GAD, with severe depression at one point. Marijuana was my crutch for a while. It wasn't a healthy crutch, for me, but thats my opinion- And everyone is entitled to their own. I've seen the road from both sides. Don't take this post as a argue about pot, look at the deeper meaning. We could all argue the safeness/legallity/harm/effects of pot all day long. Lets ignore this and get on with the experiment.)

[dylanshmai]

Not to bring up an old subject, but I found this quite annoying. I think you missed the original meaning of his post. That a child or someone who otherwise wouldn't be influenced to smoke Weed could stumble across this. Then you go off on the whole "Weed is safe" spill. I really don't care what you say, I know I wouldn't want my little brother "theoretically" stumbling across this, weather you think its safe or not. I'm not preaching, I am an ex pot/drug user. My major is currently Psychology and I have been the the Drug and Alcohal course- I am well versed in this realm. Also, after smoking marijuana you do not fall directly into a deep stage of sleep (Stage 4 or 5). It is impossible. Your brain MUST work its way through each stage consecutively. If your brain notices that you are ever falling asleep to quickly, you will be jerked awake. However marijuana may have been shown to help you work through these stages quicker, and wallow in the deeper ones for a bit longer. It's obvious that this topic wont be closed, so let me help you out. When you say "joints" and list how many someone has smoked, your flawing your own experiment. Not everyone smokes a Joint. Not every joint contains the same amount of weed. Typically it is .5.-.7 grams. Some are .2-.4 and others can be packed to about 1.0 grams. Also, everyones tolerance is totally different. Someone could smoke a 1.5gram blunt and be lost, and the person next to them could smoke it and just have a moderate head change. I think you see where this is going..... (Also, your signature....It's quite ignorant and obnoxious- Way to misrepresent what most true believers of Ganja believe. You are in fact speaking out and judging the "others" that speak out and judge against you. Your riding the same boat....) (Do you smoke occasionally? Or is it 98% of the time like your signature says? Not a real question, I couldn't care less) Good luck! My advice- Stick with regular sleep patterns, maybe miss alot of sleep for a day or two to miss some REM periods, which your mind will then make up for during the following nights of sleep. (By the way, I have been clincally diagnosed with OCD and GAD, with severe depression at one point. Marijuana was my crutch for a while. It wasn't a healthy crutch, for me, but thats my opinion- And everyone is entitled to their own. I've seen the road from both sides. Don't take this post as a argue about pot, look at the deeper meaning. We could all argue the safeness/legallity/harm/effects of pot all day long. Lets ignore this and get on with the experiment.) translation: blah blah blah...oh and blaaaaahhhh. translation: count me in on the experiment...god Im hiigghh

[StonedApe]

I'm out of bud right now, but I'll give this a try tommarow. Has anyone had any successful results?

[Dreamworld]

First of all I believe this post should be blocked... Why? Because Marijuana is an illegal drug and this website may have young viewers who come across this thread and read it.. Who know's after they read it they maybe influenced to try smoking Marijuana, even though that was not your intention.. Myself (and ex pot smoker) at my peak of smoking weed, would smoke a half ounce a day.. I can tell you that all marijuana did was kill my dream recall... I just dont think that marijuana should even be involved with dreaming or in anybody's life.. What good is marijuana besides for medical use? Half an ounce a day? You smoked 14 joints a day? Pretty used comes as BS to me. And what if it is illegal? Law is a poor excuse for morale. If slavery was still legal would it be ok? Go on the net and find the facts about Cannabis, the real name for it.

[Nightmare]

Sorry Spirit, I understand your point, but in the country that SKA is from, marijuana is de-criminalized. I no longer smoke marijuana either, but at the zenith of my marijuana use, i smoked a quarter ounce or so myself. Smoking that much is a waste of time, but who are we to judge? We made our own mistakes, but that's not the point. This is an expirimental thread, and even though i have no intention of participating (sorry SKA) i completely see the value in it. Burns has offered to move it, and SKA i hope you take her up on it. This experiment is cool and potentially valuable for researching the induction of lucid dreams. If people don't like it, skip over it, it's not for you.

[Zaltoa]

you can count me in with this experiment

[Zaltoa]

tonight i will be vaporizing a shit load of mary then i will sleep for 5 hours and im going to get up and think about what i want to dream about and get the dream scenario down pat in memory and then im gonna take 100mg of b6 and go back to bed with godsends short 11 minute induction tape and i will post the results in about 12 hours from now

[SKA]

Allright let me know your Results. Before the end of this week, maybe in the comming weekend, I'll be getting some more weed. Last times I've tried mostly to combine Coffee with Weed, which gave interresting but no truely satisfactory results. My next bag of weed will be used to Test this after 5 hours of Sleep in a WBTB way. In the meanwhile keep experimenting and let me know your Results.

[Oneironaught]

I won't be taking part in the experiment but I will confirm that years ago - when I was a very heavy pot smoker - I got busted by the law because of something stupid some one else did that drew the cops to the house, but that's another story... What was I saying? Oh yeah, when I was forced to stop completely for almost a full year because of legal bullsh!t, I did notice a huge increase in dream vividness and recall. Though I must say that I've had plenty of LDs during my heavy smoking days. I still smoke regularly but I've cut back to the point where I'd be useless for the experiment.

[Conforming Non-Conformist]

I have found that the WBTB has worked the best, but have (like you said) yet to have a really vivid dream while stoned outta my mind before going to bed. If i had the will power i would get up at 4am and have a toke, then drift off.... hmmmm come to think of it i will try that, I just received some killer buds so that may be a good enough excuse to experiment...i'll let all of you know the findings as soon as im done!