Thread: shared dreaming

Originally posted by docthory
then when i wake up i can come on the boards and ask her if she was in the shared dream

It seems like a decent idea for an experiment, but the setup is too open to power of suggestions, etc. If you want to conduct a serious experiment, you need some kind of control structure to keep outside influences and factors to a minimum. What that would be here, I don't know; but it could possibly be something as simple as when you have tried to enter someone's dream, an impartial 3rd party could ask that person what they dreamed about last night. It could even be you, but it is important to remember to not manipulate the results, so asking if they were in this dream or that dream is really not a good approach. Better to ask what they dreamed about last night, and get an unbiased answer, and then let it be known what your dream was and compare the two.

Well that is just one suggestion, even though it is still not as controlled as experiments should be, it is a little better than originally suggested method.

An even better method perhaps would be an impartial 3rd party (called A) between 2 people (called B & C) that wish to share a dream, in which A would listen to and record B & C describing their dreams over an x amount of time period, during which neither B nor C could speak to anyone about their dreams except to A. During this time it would also be important that neither B nor C have a shared preconceived notion of where they will meet or what they will do in the dream, as it would greatly increase the likelihood of them having similar dreams, but in no way suggest it was shared. Then the data could be analyzed. That might take too many resources or more time than most people are willing to commit though.

http://www.lucidcrossroads.co.uk/ meet here its designed for dream sharing in the same place.

It is actually almost impossible to prove a shared dream, I think the only way is if you've experienced it yourself then you and the other person know even though you'll never be able to prove it to others. I think it would be very easy to cheat almost any system even with 3rd party interview...

Originally posted by pantalimon
I think it would be very easy to cheat almost any system even with 3rd party interview...

Any experiment on anything can be cheated and manipulated. What is important is to design the method as to minimize potential cheating/manipulations. Then if your findings are satisfactory, it is important that they can be repeated by anyone. One successful experiment does not make a theory. It just creates grounds for you and others to continue testing and retesting the hypothesis (others testing is more key than you alone retesting).

Originally posted by dream&#045;scape+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dream&#045;scape)</div>

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then when i wake up i can come on the boards and ask her if she was in the shared dream

It seems like a decent idea for an experiment, but the setup is too open to power of suggestions, etc. If you want to conduct a serious experiment, you need some kind of control structure to keep outside influences and factors to a minimum. What that would be here, I don't know; but it could possibly be something as simple as when you have tried to enter someone's dream, an impartial 3rd party could ask that person what they dreamed about last night. It could even be you, but it is important to remember to not manipulate the results, so asking if they were in this dream or that dream is really not a good approach. Better to ask what they dreamed about last night, and get an unbiased answer, and then let it be known what your dream was and compare the two.

Well that is just one suggestion, even though it is still not as controlled as experiments should be, it is a little better than originally suggested method.

An even better method perhaps would be an impartial 3rd party (called A) between 2 people (called B & C) that wish to share a dream, in which A would listen to and record B & C describing their dreams over an x amount of time period, during which neither B nor C could speak to anyone about their dreams except to A. During this time it would also be important that neither B nor C have a shared preconceived notion of where they will meet or what they will do in the dream, as it would greatly increase the likelihood of them having similar dreams, but in no way suggest it was shared. Then the data could be analyzed. That might take too many resources or more time than most people are willing to commit though.[/b]

1st part of that . what i ment by ask her if she was in the shared dream was what you said i guess i typed the wrong thing. and that stuff below i get what you are saying. like if my dream was about being at the statue of liberty. i would tell this 3rd person and not any one else. Ophelia would tell this same person what she dreamed of and lets say she was at the brooklyn bridge. there could be a connection between the dreams but not there yet.

i can not tell here like im going to be at this place on this night doing this thing that part im not to sure of how it will work but this is something i am willing to try.

Originally posted by dream&#045;scape+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dream&#045;scape)</div>

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I think it would be very easy to cheat almost any system even with 3rd party interview...

Any experiment on anything can be cheated and manipulated. What is important is to design the method as to minimize potential cheating/manipulations. Then if your findings are satisfactory, it is important that they can be repeated by anyone. One successful experiment does not make a theory. It just creates grounds for you and others to continue testing and retesting the hypothesis (others testing is more key than you alone retesting).[/b]

This is the BIG problem and is one of translation between science and what people percieve as its opposite psi (paranormal).

Science says "I can prove the light works by flipping the switch, now you do your "thing"!!"
Psi says "this way of testing is a way of subjecting a hypothosis to narrow band of laws is the part that won't work, look even your own tests become unstable for many areas of science how can you possibily apply them to a repeatable test of psi?"

Shared dreaming will "never" be tested in a way that could be repeated under lab or even loose lab conditions, you have to break the experience of shared dreaming down and test other aspects where people share information between two people in a disasociated/LD/dreaming state.

Keeping in mind this is a lab and experiments do need to be made, so ruling out the idea of 'shared dreaming' altogether isn't the best way to go, even if it is close to impossible to prove.

Both participants would need to be very skilled in LD's, and be keeping a good DJ. They should set time, place, ect ect. After maybe a week of attempting to get to this arranged place maybe the experiemtn can be set for a few nights. Each participant writing down every detail they can remember from the LD. Then they can go over each others notes and see what happened.
From reading on the internet, this is something which apparently happens over time, not a spontaneous thing.

Originally posted by Xisdence
Keeping in mind this is a lab and experiments do need to be made, so ruling out the idea of 'shared dreaming' altogether isn't the best way to go, even if it is close to impossible to prove.

Sorry, I'm not trying to stop any efforts, thats the last thing I want to do, shared dreaming is of real intrest to me. I'd like to see people try and suceed at least those people who take part would know it were true even if it was extreamly hard to prove to others.

I made the Lucid Crossroads site so that it could be a focus for all lucid dreamers wishing to meet dream side. I know people might read this and think its just an ego trip of my'n but I figured if people are trying experiments like this all over the web then it would seem to make good sense to always have the same place to aim at. I might be far off with this but in my mind if dreamers A and B are trying to meet at the Effel tower and elsewhere in the world C and D trying meet at stonehenge there is no likelyhood of A,B,C and D accidentially meeting.

If however all deamers round the world who think they are going to try and attempt shared dreaming concentrate on one place then maybe their is more of a chance of sucess. Maybe just the thought of such a place in so many heads "might" contribute to such an effort? This is the reason I've put so much of my effort into the Crossroads site and its visuals.

Sorry if i came across like that, didn't mean to sound like the be all and end all.

That lucid crossroads site was awsome, i really enjoyed it

im just gonna dive right into the subject here.

I had a very interesting experience a few nights ago where I had reached a level of lucidity and tried this. To tell the truth, i dont know how it came to my mind that i wanted to dream share, as i wasn't even planning on it before i went to sleep! I simply commanded that i wanted to go to -insert name here-'s dream. (i said the guys first and last name too if that matters).

Anyways, I got a funny tingly feeling in my chest. Since nothing else happened, i tried it again, only this time the tingling feeling went throughout my whole body, and i was knocked to the ground. I already started a thread about this to see what replies i got, and someone posted that my experience could be related to when one may get the vibrating feeling before an OBE. So i was pretty stoked when I heard this, and realized that i got pretty damn close to leaving my body.

I personally think that in order to share your dream, you have to leave your body and enter the other person's body that your trying to communicate with. I realize what I tried was pretty stupid, because I've never tried leaving my body before, and its a risky buisness. But hey, I'm alright now, so whenever I get the chance im going to try this again.

Well your on your way to a long and steep hill of practicing and patience. AP/Obe is heaps worth it though, hwen you first 'get out' tel me what your vision is like, very nice imo.

good luck with your next attempts ey

I like most people, open minded ones I should say, are interested in shared dreaming. However it can be a very broad topic. Anyone can interperet how his or her procedure is for obtaining a shared dream.

So I think you are going to have to clarify several things in order for this project to go anywhere.
In my opinion you first need to establish which people are intrested - no brainer.
You would need to deal with the fact that each dreamer looks at it differently. example: One dreamer feels you need to leave your body, another does not. This could apply to any method or technique that shared dreaming offers. So I think you would need to pare up people with the same methods. This is just an opinion. - It doesn't mean it couldn't work, but it might move along smoother.

Making the connections between who when & where you plan to share your dream. Use a third party and have them PMed with the results. In which case they would have the post date and time.

*Maybe post a topic and find out which members have claimed to have expierianced Shared dreaming*

ok i will up date my original post in about a day im going to search the net for other info on shared dreaming and i guess i need to know who will be interested in trying it out.

i wonder what would happen if you attached wires to/from each other....

probibly wouldnt do anything, but i dont know like, anything about human anatomy, so, i dunno, some sort of signal might get through, maybe people have a subconscious gieger counter in their heads, and they can sense what others are doing because of the carbon decaying naturally in their brains....

no, you wouldnt be able to repeat the experiment (you might if you were lucky) but if you have the "man in the middle" idea, i think thats pretty good evidence there....

i also think that shared dreams wont happen unless you are close to that person (weather physically, emotionally, or spiritually ect) so it probibly wont work over here in the forums sorry

Originally posted by lord soth

i also think that shared dreams wont happen unless you are close to that person (weather physically, emotionally, or spiritually ect) so it probibly wont work over here in the forums sorry

TWINS i just thought about that this actually is true that twins have conections some times.

are there any close TWINs on this forum

ok, i have nothing agaisnt shared dreaming, i think its real and all, but as i was reading this... a thought accured to me, and correct me if im worng, please.

If when we are dreaming, our mind makes up the place we go right? so how could someone else come to the same place? becasue were not accually going to that place are we? aren't we just making a picture of it in our mind kind of??

Originally posted by Lukeman
ok, i have nothing agaisnt shared dreaming, i think its real and all, but as i was reading this... a thought accured to me, and correct me if im worng, please.

If when we are dreaming, our mind makes up the place we go right? so how could someone else come to the same place? becasue were not accually going to that place are we? aren't we just making a picture of it in our mind kind of??

Because you're communicating the scenery, and compromising what happens.
The two sets of thoughts of what happens are combined
Telepathy on steroids I guess

I thought we could combine our efforts on this topic!!!

By Mickeys_Elbow
Shared Lucids


Also an interesting theory on the possibilties and plausablities of shared dreaming.
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