Thread: Shared Lucids

Just a thought here, time might not matter. If someone on the other side of the planet has a dream like 12 hours after the person they are sharing it with, might they have the same dream? Might just be something to check into after the experiment is recorded for a while, and if it does work, then try different variations to see the limits of such dreams.

I don't think distance has any effect on whether or not you can have a shared dream or other experience, as it has been reported that twins on opposite ends of the earth can sometimes "feel" what their twin is feeling. So maybe time won't matter either.

By the way, I DO believe it is possible to have a shared dream, as I have had one with my brother once. It was the same night at the same time.

~Ryo

I have great recall, but not much of a lucier i can help aslo just pm me

Hello -

I am new to this forum. It seems that this thread has died off, but I am going to post just in case there is still interest and the experiment is still a possiblity. I have had several shared dreams, with varying degrees of lucidity. I had a girlfriend who was an amazing dreamer, and she could literally pull me into her dreamspace. She described her technique to me, and I am happy to pass it along if there is interest.

It is interesting to note that I was not much of a lucid dreamer then, but she was able to awaken my lucidity anyway. As such, my experience has been that only one dreamer has to be lucid/skilled.

On a secondary note, I've read all the postings in this thread. While I greatly appreciate the intention to document this phenomenon scientifically, I also am suprised by the attempts to "define" the potential science of shared dreaming (i.e. how it could be possible, how it could function beyond time, etc.). So much that is "possible" in dreams is determined by what we believe to be possible - why bother trying to create laws around shared dreams BEFORE having them. It is a limiting factor. Instead, begin experimenting with shared dreams in the attempt to prove that they're possible, and THEN come up with theories about Why.

Any hope in reviving this old thread?

I didn't read all the posts (actually i got about halfway through the first page) when i wanted to comment, a while ago I dreamed my GF's dad did something REALLY screwed up to me, and that doesn't really seem like his background to me, then when later that day when she called me I told her about the dream (i had already told her before that about experiments with telepathy among other things, which it was pretty apparent she didn't believe.) and then she was amazed and started asking me questions about telepathy and stuff. Appearently her dad did something really messed up to someone in her family and she just recently found out about it and says its hard for her not to hate him for it, and that she was thinking about it that day. lol

EDIT: O_O the thread is dead.......

Okay, this is a new path in the conversation...but I have a need for some help, if any of you have any useful words of advise

I only learned about lucid dreaming as lucid dreaming last night. I have been having them since I was a child. In recent years, there is a certain person that I meet quite frequently...but it feels different than other lucid dreams. I really think and feel like we're sharing a dream...like this person is actually with me & it's not a part of my brain. It's not an appropriate question to pose in waking life, so I want to ask in the dream (once I learn to gain a little more control). But I want to make sure that I do it gently, so that if this person doesn't know, I won't startle him awake. Does rehersing this before sleep help you to remember in in sleep? Or should I just be in the moment and ask as would be appropriate in the context of the dream? Or do you have something that may work better than either of these ideas?

Thanks for any help or advice!

Rehearsing will help you remember what you want to do. But since you're lucid, you can adapt the situation as you need.
I've had the same experience, but was dissappointed by the truth

Well, that's not very encouraging...but it's worth finding out either way...

Thanks for the input!

Are you telepathic? Can you hear other people's thoughts*?

Nope. Therefore shared dreaming is impossible**. QED.

*If you can hear other voices then you need to seek help.
**Telepathy would be a requirement since dreams are constructs of the mind, and in order to share this with someone, it would require a link from mind to mind, i.e. telepathy.

Sometimes...

There is so much about the human brain that is unknown...nothing is impossible...only unknown. It's just a personal opinion, but I really believe there's more to dreaming than meets the eye.

Originally Posted by Interested1

Sometimes...

There is so much about the human brain that is unknown...nothing is impossible...only unknown. It's just a personal opinion, but I really believe there's more to dreaming than meets the eye.

There is a lot about the brain that is not known, this is perfectly true. Conversely, there is a lot that we already know.

For instance, we know how nerve signals - which along with the way the pathways are constructed, are at the core of how the brain functions - are created and propagated. It's simply electro-chemical reactions taking place. A little more specifically, it's to do with ions flowing in and out of nerve cells through the membranes creating polarized sections of the membrane, allowing electronic charges to flow.

The simple fact is, is that we know the basic premesis on which the brain operates, and that there is a mountain of evidence that the brain controls the body and uses this to pass along ideas and information. There's a mountain of evidence that dreaming is simply a certain state of the mind. And there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the brain is capable of communicating by simply thoughts alone, with no action from a person's body (with our present technology; future advances may allow machine-brain interfaces but this is irrelevant to this argument), that has undergone rigorous analysis and peer review. Anything to the contrary is pseudoscience at best.

Given this simple fact, it is easy to see that there is no evidence for shared dreaming, and a massive amount of evidence (and simple logic) for it's non-existence.

There certainly might be more to dreaming than meets the eye. Maybe it will be discovered that we all have multiple personalities that dreaming helps to integrate into a whole, or some other function. Perhaps it allows us an insight into the unconscious mind. But dreaming will not involve breaking the laws of physics, or any nonsense about travelling to magical planes of existence as some believe.

Seriously, I'm not talking about magical planes of existense...although, I'm not omniscient, so I also can't say with 100% certanty that it is either true or not true. Why I believe what I do simply comes down to faith.

I believe in God, and Satan and Angels and Demons and us. We are spiritual beings, trapped in human form (my belief). If you believe in these things (which I don't know) then you believe that there is a spiritual interaction going on around us each and every moment of each and every day. How can anyone say what the spirit is capable of when our unconcious mind is free from the constraints of our concious mind.

It's obvious that you are educated on the subject of the brain and it's function, and if I ever had any question at all about my brain...I would come to you...but this isn't just about the brain. It's an interaction between the spirit and the brain (I should have been more clear about why I think what I do in my last post) and the truth is that there is no way to measure that interaction. There are simply some things we are not meant to know.

I'm just here, trying to get a better understanding of one of my characteristcs with people of a common characteristic. My dreams are more than lucid...I'm just trying to understand why...

And on a side note, there is evidence that people can move/bend objects with only the use of their minds and not their hands. I do, however, respect and appreciate your point of view.

i haven't had a lucid dream yet and i've started dream recalling this week so far i got 5 dreams and 2 fragments, if you see me fit to participate in the experience has a reciver i'd be glad to help

Originally Posted by Interested1

And on a side note, there is evidence that people can move/bend objects with only the use of their minds and not their hands. I do, however, respect and appreciate your point of view.

There's no evidence. It's either trickery or bullshit.

Considering what we deal in on this and forums like this; some people can be so close minded.

Originally Posted by Fox

There's no evidence. It's either trickery or bullshit.

It comes back to perception. Everything you see is not directly through the lenses of the eyes, its a construct your mind produces via the information it gets from the eyes. So, with that in mind question the "reality" around you. Could you possibly live in a world where somewhere at sometime someone did bend a spoon with their mind?

Originally Posted by Photolysis

There is a lot about the brain that is not known, this is perfectly true. Conversely, there is a lot that we already know.

For instance, we know how nerve signals - which along with the way the pathways are constructed, are at the core of how the brain functions - are created and propagated. It's simply electro-chemical reactions taking place. A little more specifically, it's to do with ions flowing in and out of nerve cells through the membranes creating polarized sections of the membrane, allowing electronic charges to flow.

The simple fact is, is that we know the basic premesis on which the brain operates, and that there is a mountain of evidence that the brain controls the body and uses this to pass along ideas and information. There's a mountain of evidence that dreaming is simply a certain state of the mind. And there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the brain is capable of communicating by simply thoughts alone, with no action from a person's body (with our present technology; future advances may allow machine-brain interfaces but this is irrelevant to this argument), that has undergone rigorous analysis and peer review. Anything to the contrary is pseudoscience at best.

Given this simple fact, it is easy to see that there is no evidence for shared dreaming, and a massive amount of evidence (and simple logic) for it's non-existence.

There certainly might be more to dreaming than meets the eye. Maybe it will be discovered that we all have multiple personalities that dreaming helps to integrate into a whole, or some other function. Perhaps it allows us an insight into the unconscious mind. But dreaming will not involve breaking the laws of physics, or any nonsense about travelling to magical planes of existence as some believe.

And what seperates the human mind from an animal mind? Where lies the soul? You think you could give a computer a soul by exactly recreating a brain with modern technologies?

edit: I'm not saying, that I believe in telepathy or something like that. I just say, that I'm not sure, if only the electricity in someones brain makes him a thinking being. Thats really interesting. I'm somewhat into philosphy and therefore I think the dualism of soul and brain seems to be the best answer on this question.

So, I've been here for a little while now & I'd love to get in on this project...if it is at all still moving! My recall is great for a while...then not so great. Very spuradic...but I would still love to be involved. Are there any results that we can be updated with? I would love to see how this has been going!

And what seperates the human mind from an animal mind? Where lies the soul? You think you could give a computer a soul by exactly recreating a brain with modern technologies?

edit: I'm not saying, that I believe in telepathy or something like that. I just say, that I'm not sure, if only the electricity in someones brain makes him a thinking being. Thats really interesting. I'm somewhat into philosphy and therefore I think the dualism of soul and brain seems to be the best answer on this question.

You say this as if it is a confirmed fact that such things as souls exist. Believe what you wish, but it's far from a confirmed fact and indeed there's no scientific evidence for it. If souls don't exist, your first paragraph is meaningless.

As someone who doesn't believe in the concept (and indeed finds it extremely arrogant that humanity boasts it's mental superiority and only grants itself the status of having a soul), here's my view:

What seperates a human and animal mind (though techically we're still animals... so by animal mind I mean an organism with a brain less developed than a human one)? Complexity. And it is this complexity that has produced a brain capable of extrordinary things. Consciousness. Emotion. Abstraction. Reason and logic.

If you could recreate a brain using computer circuitry, it would simply be a copy of the brain of the person being used as a template. Essentially it would be a mechanical clone. If you created a new brain would it be a person? We get deeply into philosophical issues here, but on the face of it, I don't see why not.

A lot of people don't like the idea that all their thoughts and so on are simply electro-chemical reactions taking place in a very complicated set of nerve pathways. It appears (or perhaps it does; I don't know) to remove the element of free will, and seems to reduce a person's personality down to simply being a complicated flow of ions. But that doesn't change the fact that at a fundamental level this is how our brains work. However emotionally unappealing an idea may be, it has no effect on it's truthfulness.

What makes you think we have a soul anyway (religious reasons I assume)? And assuming we do have one, how does it affect our brain chemistry, which is responsible for our thoughts?

Are you telepathic? Can you hear other people's thoughts*?

Nope. Therefore shared dreaming is impossible**. QED.

*If you can hear other voices then you need to seek help.
**Telepathy would be a requirement since dreams are constructs of the mind, and in order to share this with someone, it would require a link from mind to mind, i.e. telepathy.

Im sorry where are you getting this "evidence" that dreams are entirely constructs of the mind? Could you prove beyond a doubt that dreams are 100% mind generated? I didnt think so.

On a side note, super string theory which is indeed physics of sorts describes the world as either 10, 11, or 26 dimensions. All of which everything exists as a vibrational energy. Now if we perceive up to the 4th dimension (time) in everyday life, you could not dis-prove dreaming occurring on "another plane of existence" such as a spiritual realm etc and the "proof" of dreaming being all in your mind merely being a side effect of such existence. Perhaps the soul exists only on a higher plane, thus being undetectable by our 4D senses. If we are just electrical impulses and no more, whats stopping your computer having consciousness and deciding to do things on its own? Whats stopping it from communicating with you if souls are not essential for consciousness? Which also brings us to reviving the dead. Ever noticed how no matter how much energy you put into a corpse it still doesnt reanimate once its lost its soul? I know I have

Nice bump btw.

Originally Posted by Photolysis

Are you telepathic? Can you hear other people's thoughts*?

Nope. Therefore shared dreaming is impossible**. QED.

*If you can hear other voices then you need to seek help.
**Telepathy would be a requirement since dreams are constructs of the mind, and in order to share this with someone, it would require a link from mind to mind, i.e. telepathy.

If we would live in the middle-ages, you would belong to the group of people who would burn people at the stake for claiming the earth is round. Because, according to your logic, the earth can't possibly be round, due to the fact we would fall off. Lol. Please.Theres no point at all in claiming this or that is impossible. Keeping an open mind won't get you killed. (unless theres idiots like you around, who will do anything to protect their belief of this and that being impossible.) We don't live in the middle-ages anymoe, but it is very obvious, if someone would claim shared dreaming is possible, you would declare them insane, and would put them in the madhouse. Which is worse than burning them on the stake. It's not science who claims this is impossible, its closeminded people like you who think they know science, but are actually too lazy to get into science. Both thumbs down for your attitude which slows down progress of science. This is not skeptisism, this is nothing but being closeminded. First explain me the mechanics of gravity, Mr scientific expert, then you can explain me how the mechanics of shared dreaming is impossible. Not even Einstein was able to explain the mechanics of gravity. He was only able to describe it as a "bending of spacetime". Thats it.

Originally Posted by faedin

Hello -

I am new to this forum. It seems that this thread has died off, but I am going to post just in case there is still interest and the experiment is still a possiblity. I have had several shared dreams, with varying degrees of lucidity. I had a girlfriend who was an amazing dreamer, and she could literally pull me into her dreamspace. She described her technique to me, and I am happy to pass it along if there is interest.

It is interesting to note that I was not much of a lucid dreamer then, but she was able to awaken my lucidity anyway. As such, my experience has been that only one dreamer has to be lucid/skilled.

On a secondary note, I've read all the postings in this thread. While I greatly appreciate the intention to document this phenomenon scientifically, I also am suprised by the attempts to "define" the potential science of shared dreaming (i.e. how it could be possible, how it could function beyond time, etc.). So much that is "possible" in dreams is determined by what we believe to be possible - why bother trying to create laws around shared dreams BEFORE having them. It is a limiting factor. Instead, begin experimenting with shared dreams in the attempt to prove that they're possible, and THEN come up with theories about Why.

Completely agreed on your secondary note, and feel free to share your technique any information on shared dreaming is welcome imo. I'm very interested in that technqiue, feel free to share it ^^

Hi,

I just found this post.

Was this experimented eventually conducted? Are the results posted anywhere on the forum?

Something like this happened with me and my sister a couple of years back. We were both experiencing the same dream on the same night, etc.
I've always wondered if it had anything to do with us being twins. xD