Thread: If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did all this stuff come from?

Wow Sage - expecting religious arguments to actually make sense? What's up with that?

As to the need for argument - at least concerning Creationism - I think the argument is mostly 'designed' to attempt to take advantage of the legal system so they can get certain science subjects removed from schools and textbooks - then they can snare many more vulnerable young minds. And as to why creationists continue to trot out the same weak old arguments that have been destroyed each and every time they've ever been brought up even just on forums or in regular conversation - well, unfortunately those are just casualties. The leaders of the movement are interested mostly in effecting legal change to undermine scientific literacy among youth and the followers just echo the arguments because it's their duty to do so to show their strong faith.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

As to the need for argument - at least concerning Creationism - I think the argument is mostly 'designed' to attempt to take advantage of the legal system so they can get certain science subjects removed from schools and textbooks - then they can snare many more vulnerable young minds. And as to why creationists continue to trot out the same weak old arguments that have been destroyed each and every time they've ever been brought up even just on forums or in regular conversation - well, unfortunately those are just casualties. The leaders of the movement are interested mostly in effecting legal change to undermine scientific literacy among youth and the followers just echo the arguments because it's their duty to do so to show their strong faith.

But why?

I guess I was mostly being sarcastic, as my question in reality can only be rhetorical anyway. But it is to wonder: if your eternal soul is guaranteed preservation by a being this powerful and loving, why would anything as mundane as textbooks, laws of man, or even what they're teaching in your child's school ever, ever matter? If your faith is pure, then you can't be wrong, so there's no need to suffer any embarrassment by exposure to scientific knowledge (yes, knowledge -- evolution stopped being a theory some time ago). Surely you and your family can ignore or at least endure the inventions of the heretics, what with God and righteousness on their side.

This obsession of the righteous to spread/force their religious doctrine upon all others is based on something other than true faith, I think. The specious arguments and questionable tactics we see them use (especially in places like Kansas and Texas) seem to make this sadly evident. Their faith should be enough, but they want more. I doubt a loving, all powerful God really cares if the unbelievers are converted, or if a child is exposed to scientific knowledge -- positive reinforcement and evidence of things like evolution should not matter to a person of true faith. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Also, I believe that righteousness ought to be the greatest of the deadly sins, yet it wasn't even listed. Maybe they didn't like the number eight? Maybe then they would have been forced to include a ninth: hypocrisy. And though it is very powerful, given the damage it has done, and still does, to this world, righteousness does not equal faith. Period.

Okay, back to the OP:

tl;dr: A person of faith's true and only answer to "If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did all this stuff come from?" ought to be "It came from God. the rest does not matter." Any more words than that are a waste of words, unless you need to convince yourself of something.