Thread: I will just leave this here...

Ok so called "just agnostics?"

Subtle.

Originally Posted by poog

Subtle.

You suck.

Originally Posted by hungrymanz

You suck.

Why can't we be friends?

What're those things sticking out of Eeyore's head?

Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed

What're those things sticking out of Eeyore's head?

Ok, don't quote me on this but I "think" one of them is eeyore's tongue, and the other is his spinal cord.

Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed

What're those things sticking out of Eeyore's head?

I thought it was his esophagus.

I thought one of them might be that. But there's two.

Great visual Diagrams Sandform. Personally I'm Gnostic (or..as I define it...Philosophic inquiry with theistics remaining irrelevant) but I don't see you dishing out any humorous slander or comedic definition to my kind? Watcha got? I promise not to overreact, hate, retaliate or make any personal attacks. I'm truly curious to see what you can come up with.

I don't get it. Are you making fun of my faith?


We'll see whose laughing while you spend your eternity in hellfire

Originally Posted by CatBus

I don't get it. Are you making fun of my faith?


We'll see whose laughing while you spend your eternity in hellfire

I bet you can't wait to see God smiling upon you for being such a good, subservient little sheep-person.

Yes, yes! A standing ovation ensues - the very fabric of the universe yields itself before the truth.

Ha ha! This made me lol.

Yeah, your ego is ALL OVER the board here. Namely because you do that very thing christians do. That very thing that Aetheist eve cartooon dissed the religio fanatics for. I said, Prove evolution and you said, Wel....I'm just going to start calling it a law so you can't argue with me anymore.

Let me make one of my favorite specific knocks on the THEORY of evolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_drift#cite_note-1

Read the part about Probablility and Allele frequency. What it's basically saying is that incest causes the genetic mutation that causes evolution. You've never been to Kentucky, eh?

I wasn't doing that, I was saying that it SHOULD be called the law because it has yet to be proven wrong and the word 'theory' leaves the attack open from theists which I mentioned before.

That thing has nothing to do with what you're saying because all it's saying is that when there is a large population, having a mutation isn't going to change as much as when there is a small population.
For example:
A population of 10 will be affected if one kid has a mutation because there is more chance of someone reproducing with that kid.
However in a population of 1 million, those couple of people with mutated genes aren't going to make as big of an impact. Especially because not everyone is going to reproduce.

So when we were monkeys, say, there were much less of us, allowing the mutants to have a greater effect. Now we are becoming larger in population there is less of an effect.
It's really just stating that there isn't a likelihood of us evolving further. Unless we get wiped out en masse.

In any case, it's not saying evolution is wrong lol.
It doesn't make a difference whether it happened from incest or whether we just had a couple mutants early on that reproduced and so on.

If you're saying that it can't be true because or else everyone would be retarded, that's false. I was thinking that the other day in fact, and wondering whether that could be a fault in evolution 'theory'.
However, incest doesn't result in obviously retarded people straight away. It can, but not often. It takes a few generations of reproducing to do that, usually 2 or 3. So if the first one had a mutation but it wasn't disabling then they would pass it on and then their kids would pass it on etc.

It could be anything that caused the mutation, just chance, like some people just happen to be born with 4 arms or two heads. Or the other two things I just mentioned are plausible too.
The thing is, it is obvious that it DID happen, it doesn't matter how, we have bones and fossils showing us that it happened. But of course scientists and people who like knowledge still want to know why.

Originally Posted by tommo

I wasn't doing that, I was saying that it SHOULD be called the law because it has yet to be proven wrong and the word 'theory' leaves the attack open from theists which I mentioned before.

Egotism resists criticism irrationality. While God has yet to proved...it also has yet to be disproved by science. The same holds true for the theroy of evolution.

That thing has nothing to do with what you're saying because all it's saying is that when there is a large population, having a mutation isn't going to change as much as when there is a small population.
For example:
A population of 10 will be affected if one kid has a mutation because there is more chance of someone reproducing with that kid.
However in a population of 1 million, those couple of people with mutated genes aren't going to make as big of an impact. Especially because not everyone is going to reproduce.

Right....I don't see how that isn't indicative of incest...

So when we were monkeys, say, there were much less of us, allowing the mutants to have a greater effect. Now we are becoming larger in population there is less of an effect.
It's really just stating that there isn't a likelihood of us evolving further. Unless we get wiped out en masse.

Which happens to be the exact Agenda of 'Sustainable Development' incidentally...

In any case, it's not saying evolution is wrong lol.
It doesn't make a difference whether it happened from incest or whether we just had a couple mutants early on that reproduced and so on.

Agreed.

If you're saying that it can't be true because or else everyone would be retarded, that's false. I was thinking that the other day in fact, and wondering whether that could be a fault in evolution 'theory'.
However, incest doesn't result in obviously retarded people straight away. It can, but not often. It takes a few generations of reproducing to do that, usually 2 or 3. So if the first one had a mutation but it wasn't disabling then they would pass it on and then their kids would pass it on etc.

I wonder what other mutations could be possible from incest...but I don't wonder it enough to have sex with my sister...

It could be anything that caused the mutation, just chance, like some people just happen to be born with 4 arms or two heads. Or the other two things I just mentioned are plausible too.
The thing is, it is obvious that it DID happen, it doesn't matter how, we have bones and fossils showing us that it happened. But of course scientists and people who like knowledge still want to know why.

It's just odd that it happens MORE OFTEN in smaller populations....which is EXACTLY what it says. It talks later on about preservation of those mutations but they are separate points.

However there are some points made by scientists who purport that no positive mutation can occur from mutation resulting from incest....Although I think their work was a little sketchy I'd have to go back and dig it up and reread it...it's been a while since I did my evolution research.

While I believe in certain things about the theory of evolution because it is completely OBVIOUS to me that THINGS CHANGE. I don't think that man came from Apes. I do however have a crazy creation theory that is something along the lines of having been created by Human races existing elsewhere in the universe using earth to recolonize. It's long, elaborate...and pretty delusional...but all in all plausible and not disprovable. I do however enjoy discussing it with open minded invidividuals who can offer fair criticism to the ideas I have as I purport them so that I may refine them....as I enjoy doing with all of my ideas.

It's just odd that it happens MORE OFTEN in smaller populations....which is EXACTLY what it says.

Yes it would happen more in a smaller population, I said why.
It is because more people would be having sex with their close relatives.

Egotism resists criticism irrationality. While God has yet to proved...it also has yet to be disproved by science. The same holds true for the theroy of evolution.

So what? I already said that. The Flying Spaghetti Monster has yet to be disproved as well.
I know what you're saying, it's that the evolution theory hasn't been proved or disproved and therefore it should be on the same level as god. But that's not the case. Evolution has at least some evidence. Religion has none.

Please, tell us your idea of how we got here. Sounds a lot like scientology to me but of course I can't know yet.
Oh and....
Why don't you think we came from apes? Why don't you think the fossil evidence is enough?

Originally Posted by Sandform

Ok so called "just agnostics?"

I'm Christian but not all "stuck-up burn-in-hell-sinner" about it so for that post, sir, I applaud you.








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Oh that reminds me. The "It's just that simple now can we please as a culture move on?"

The answer is yes, it's called Wicca/New Age. While not being an idyllic solution to any of this. It provides room for all manner of inquiry and speculation.

Although....it's riddled with more rediculous bullshit than the bible, aleister crowley, and evolution combined. And individuals tend to still exhibit the same egotistical behavior habits.....It seems, while being an evolution of religion also not being a solution to. It just tends to accept anyone from any group and say that's cool while not really changing shit about how people go about it.

As far as the hippie pacifists in the movement...well...those have always been around too irrespective of religion.

Originally Posted by Euthanatos

Oh that reminds me. The "It's just that simple now can we please as a culture move on?"

The answer is yes, it's called Wicca/New Age. While not being an idyllic solution to any of this. It provides room for all manner of inquiry and speculation.

Although....it's riddled with more rediculous bullshit than the bible, aleister crowley, and evolution combined. And individuals tend to still exhibit the same egotistical behavior habits.....It seems, while being an evolution of religion also not being a solution to. It just tends to accept anyone from any group and say that's cool while not really changing shit about how people go about it.

As far as the hippie pacifists in the movement...well...those have always been around too irrespective of religion.

I'm confused, what evolution are you arguing against? Because evolution is real, we see it happen, and it is the idea behind many medical items given to people. Evolution is seen to happen. I can only imagine that you are arguing against "macro" evolution. I'm not sure how anyone can argue against macro evolution though...since all it is is micro-evolution over a long period of time. I don't really feel like arguing but I just want to know what it is you're arguing against...