Starting the Everyman Sleep Schedule

**zzzmidnight** · 02-15-2010 05:08 AM

Yo man, found your old log via google searching for Dymaxion sleep. Already a member here on dream views. Personally glade to hear that your keep going. After reading your logs, I had an insight I wanted to share.
Remember where you talked about closing your eyes and going into another state, dream state, something you had never had happen before...
I think you had started to be able to go straight into REM!
Like at the drop of your eyelids you went into REM!
Maybe not on the schedule you wanted, but after training your self to do 8 hour a night sleep for 18, 19, 20+, however old you are, years..
That is really amazing after a couple of weeks!
If you ever experience that again see if you can go lucid.
Thanks for the log, this has been really insightful. Maybe you will use what you are transitioning into now as a stepping stone to do the fully monty (aka dymaxion) later on.
Keep on the keeping on.
Michael

**zzzmidnight** · 02-15-2010 05:13 AM

Oh also, sounds like you started to go all over the place when you got sick this last time. Maybe that happens you want to declare a fail and try again another time. You were doing really good! But don't try to force it when it isn't working.
How is the log going currently?

**nautilus** · 02-18-2010 04:34 PM

Sorry I haven't posted in quite a while, I've been really busy (even with the extra five hours a day!) I've still been keeping the log, though. I think I'll start posting it with weekly summaries and all the nap-by-nap details inside a spoiler tag so it's easier to scan through the logs.

Spoiler for days 44-50:

**nautilus** · 02-18-2010 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by zzzmidnight

Remember where you talked about closing your eyes and going into another state, dream state, something you had never had happen before...
I think you had started to be able to go straight into REM!
Like at the drop of your eyelids you went into REM!
Maybe not on the schedule you wanted, but after training your self to do 8 hour a night sleep for 18, 19, 20+, however old you are, years..
That is really amazing after a couple of weeks!
If you ever experience that again see if you can go lucid.

Hmm, yeah I sometimes go into the dream state pretty quickly now, but not instantly like during the end of the last attempt. Just this morning I had a bunch of dreams within a period of three minutes (between regular and back up alarms). I almost got lucid, too! Almost. I've been having an unusual number of almosts

Seems like a good sign.

Thanks for the log, this has been really insightful. Maybe you will use what you are transitioning into now as a stepping stone to do the fully monty (aka dymaxion) later on.
Keep on the keeping on.
Michael

Yeah, I'd definitely like to try Dymaxion again sometime. I'll probably be keeping the Everyman for quite a while due to scheduling, though.

**Hidden** · 02-19-2010 01:02 AM

A bunch of dreams in three minutes? Did you wake up after each one?

**angelofhex** · 02-19-2010 01:59 PM

If you want any help with your sleep schedule I can offer a hand. I can probably answer some if any questions you have. Last spring I completed the uberman sleep cycle for 2 months. The getting used to it part was rough took me almost 2 weeks to adjust. My TV tried to eat me, the toilet talked to me and my ferret grew wings all in the first week lol. But after that things were good and oversleeping/feeling tired stopped. Finally had to stop because I was kind of losing my mind without a real solid day breakup and my family thought I was crazy and kept pressing me to stop so I did after 2 months.

The dreams as you continue on will keep getting more intense I can recall having several extremely long dreams and many within my 20 minutes of sleep.

But now I cna take a nap at any point and be perfectly fine. I also fall asleep immediately upon closing my eyes, the most I ever lay awake even when not tired is 2-3minutes. So there are benefits to completly adjusting to a schedule different than the normal monophasic.

**changed** · 02-19-2010 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by angelofhex

If you want any help with your sleep schedule I can offer a hand. I can probably answer some if any questions you have. Last spring I completed the uberman sleep cycle for 2 months. The getting used to it part was rough took me almost 2 weeks to adjust. My TV tried to eat me, the toilet talked to me and my ferret grew wings all in the first week lol. But after that things were good and oversleeping/feeling tired stopped. Finally had to stop because I was kind of losing my mind without a real solid day breakup and my family thought I was crazy and kept pressing me to stop so I did after 2 months.

The dreams as you continue on will keep getting more intense I can recall having several extremely long dreams and many within my 20 minutes of sleep.

But now I cna take a nap at any point and be perfectly fine. I also fall asleep immediately upon closing my eyes, the most I ever lay awake even when not tired is 2-3minutes. So there are benefits to completly adjusting to a schedule different than the normal monophasic.

A talking toilet? Oh shit i am so going to try this during summer break.

**Hidden** · 02-20-2010 03:21 AM

Is hallucinating when switching sleep schedules normal? Because my mom and I agreed that I would have to stop if I started hallucinating. =/

**nautilus** · 02-21-2010 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Hidden

A bunch of dreams in three minutes? Did you wake up after each one?

Actually it was more like fragments that I remembered with one main one. The dreams during those three minutes were after waking up from other dreams during my 20 minute nap, though

Originally Posted by angelofhex

If you want any help with your sleep schedule I can offer a hand. I can probably answer some if any questions you have. Last spring I completed the uberman sleep cycle for 2 months. The getting used to it part was rough took me almost 2 weeks to adjust. My TV tried to eat me, the toilet talked to me and my ferret grew wings all in the first week lol. But after that things were good and oversleeping/feeling tired stopped. Finally had to stop because I was kind of losing my mind without a real solid day breakup and my family thought I was crazy and kept pressing me to stop so I did after 2 months.

Lol. Things have been a lot easier for me, but I can't say I'm adjusted yet. After two months now. I'm closer, but not there. My main problem is that I'm still oversleeping...often. I think it's mostly a will power problem, because a lot of times I'll wake up, turn the alarms off with the conscious intention of getting up, then proceed to fall back asleep. The oversleeping seems to occur after core sleep and my 5:30 nap. The 5:30 is an extra nap I added, and there's not as much waking time before and after it as the other naps. I'm want to get rid of this extra nap at some point, and hopefully I'll do better once I adjust to that change...

Strangely enough, even though I'm still oversleeping all the time, I seem to be getting more energy. Within the past week or two, the bags under my eyes have gone away entirely and I feel like I'm at a normal energy level most the time. I suspect that oversleeping is responsible for those times when I feel groggy (usually I feel it the following day, usually in the morning).

By the way, have you considered trying the Everyman schedule? I definitely have a sense of "today and tomorrow" because of the core sleep. Plus it's easier to move naps around once you're adjusted...and people don't freak out quite as much when your sleeping 4 hours instead of 2.

Originally Posted by angelofhex

The dreams as you continue on will keep getting more intense I can recall having several extremely long dreams and many within my 20 minutes of sleep.

But now I cna take a nap at any point and be perfectly fine. I also fall asleep immediately upon closing my eyes, the most I ever lay awake even when not tired is 2-3minutes. So there are benefits to completly adjusting to a schedule different than the normal monophasic.

Yeah, I'm experiencing something similar as far as the dreams go (falling asleep faster and having more dreams). It's pretty awesome

Originally Posted by Hidden

Is hallucinating when switching sleep schedules normal? Because my mom and I agreed that I would have to stop if I started hallucinating. =/

Yes, hallucinations are fairly common. I started to hallucinate during my first attempt (at the dymaxion schedule). This was two and a half weeks into the experiment, so for me that was one of the things which made me decide to stop. Other people just deal with the hallucinations when they happen and they go away by the time they're adjusted. If I'd hallucinated sooner rather than later, I probably would have kept going also.

The good news is that I haven't had any hallucinations while adjusting to Everyman, so you may get lucky because it doesn't always happen. It's up to you what circumstances determine whether you'll continue or not; you can always try again later

**changed** · 02-21-2010 03:39 AM

What kind of halucinations did you have?

**Hidden** · 02-21-2010 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by nautilus

Yes, hallucinations are fairly common. I started to hallucinate during my first attempt (at the dymaxion schedule). This was two and a half weeks into the experiment, so for me that was one of the things which made me decide to stop. Other people just deal with the hallucinations when they happen and they go away by the time they're adjusted. If I'd hallucinated sooner rather than later, I probably would have kept going also.

The good news is that I haven't had any hallucinations while adjusting to Everyman, so you may get lucky because it doesn't always happen. It's up to you what circumstances determine whether you'll continue or not; you can always try again later

Hmm... I'll hope I get lucky. I might have to postpone it for another year, since I want to make sure I have at least a 2-3 week block during the summer where I can do nothing but walk in circles to keep myself awake if that's what I have to do. It seems like a pretty good schedule for college life.

**Kangaxx** · 02-21-2010 01:23 PM

Nautilus, i think you should drop your extra nap. I mean look at it! How many times you overslept during it! Though you can try to adjust, but i think it's doing more harm than it is doing good.
Good luck, will be follolowing each day. (Mistake on purpose for grammar nazis).

**Hidden** · 02-21-2010 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Kangaxx

Good luck, will be follolowing each day. (Mistake on purpose for grammar nazis).

-dies a little inside-

**anschoo** · 02-25-2010 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Hidden

-dies a little inside-

Oh no.

**nautilus** · 03-10-2010 03:11 PM

Hi, sorry I haven't posted in a really long time... I've been extremely busy with classes and everything else, and I fell behind on my sleep log. For the past few weeks I've been oversleeping so much that I wonder if it's even still considered Everyman... The only good thing is that I've still been starting the naps on time and I'm not too tired (though groggy after oversleeps). I finally have some time off (five day weekend due to flex days), and I'm planning on using that to get back on track with my sleep schedule and log.

I got rid of the 5:30 nap about a week after my last post, so at least I don't have an unbalanced schedule. My main problem is, still, fighting years of hitting the snooze and prizing sleeping in over any less than urgent reason for getting up, even when conscious enough to make the choice to get out of bed. What I need is a new mind set; I've had some successes despite all the oversleeping going on around them.

To get up after core sleep: I wrote myself some instructions, saying things like "I know it's hard, but just sit up!" and "You have a lot of homework to do, and if you go back to sleep now you'll be doomed..." It works surprisingly well, most the time. I put it in a file in front of the window with the sleep track so that I see it as soon as I wake up.

To get up from the 14:30 and 19:00 naps: I put the loud back-up alarm on the floor. Yes I've heard of this trick before, and yes, it works. Mostly because by the time I've turned it off, I figure I've gotten up and I might as well stay awake after all that trouble.

To get up from the 8:30 nap: it's often still too early for others in the house to leave the alarm on the floor (same for core sleep), but luckily I tend to have things going on immediately afterwards, which always gets me up. I have yet to oversleep and miss the bus, for example.

**nautilus** · 04-05-2010 03:00 PM

All right, I wasn't particularly successful, up until now, at trying to get back into the sleep schedule; I would wake up after three hours occasionally, but for the most part I was back on monophasic plus the naps (in other words, really long core sleep). In general, it's been waking up from core sleep that gives me the most troubles, not the naps so much (and when they did, it was the ones closer to waking from core). I think I might have found a possible solution.

I read an article a while back that talked about how (for regular monophasic sleep), there are two general approaches to sleep that have problems: sticking to a strict schedule/getting the same amount of sleep every night, and simply sleeping whenever you're tired. The problem with the first approach is that you need different amounts of sleep based on how tired you are that day, and the problem with the second is that you'll tend to sleep more than you need to. The solution is to adjust to getting up at the same time no matter what, but to go to sleep only when you feel tired. Here's the article for more details: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...n-early-riser/

I thought this could help with my core sleep issues. I'll adjust to getting up at 4:30 every morning and start tuning into when my body feels tired (though I'll make sure I get at least around three hours of sleep). Hopefully I'll naturally tend towards a shorter core, since I'll be taking naps the same way I have been, but if not maybe I'll nudge it closer to the Everyman schedule by generally not going to bed earlier than a certain time. We'll see.

Today's my first semi-successful try. My alarm went off at 4:30, but I kept hitting my snooze until 5:15 when I finally became conscious of what I was doing. At least I got up, though. I think I'm going to need to practice waking up to the alarm during the day, as one of the related articles suggested

**shana47** · 04-25-2010 11:34 AM

Hi there,

Firstly, I'm sorry I haven't posted in a while. As awkward as that might sound, I've been thinking of doing so for a couple days now but didn't find the time... Since I'm back at school, I've spent a quite some time working and the rest of it wandering on the Internet.
Anyways, as I said in my previous post, the schedule during vacation is difficult to support. The biggest problem is finding things to do, and even then you must find the motivation to do them.
Another problem I encountered during vacation is that I organized two parties in a row (the 31st and the 1st). In addition, the day before a good friend arrived and, as most people, she isn't on Everyman. Long story short, from the 30th to the 1st, I didn't have time to take naps. To compensate, I woke up at around 10a.m. (after going to bed at around 4:30) the 1st and the 2nd.
Needless to say, I was tired after that three-day episode! So the two next days I tried to have a full night sleep to recuperate, and that not possible. Anyways, I continued Everyman and decided to do a quick "reboot" from Saturday to Sunday: I slept (or tried to at least) from 6 p.m. to 10 a.m. I felt better afterwards and since then, it's been much easier to stay on Everyman.

Thanks for all

**nautilus** · 06-26-2010 08:20 AM

Ah...I thought I posted an update here a while back, but I guess I forgot

I apologize to anyone who was wondering about the status of the attempt. Anyways, a couple weeks after my last post, I got a particularly nasty cold and could hardly sleep at all, let alone on schedule... which is how it usually goes when I get sick. I was off the sleep schedule for long enough that I decided not to try getting back into it until after finals. Now that the Spring semester's over and I've had a bit of a break, I'm getting ready for my next Everyman attempt!

I'll make a new thread soon with my plans and I'll try to be more consistent with the updates.

**nautilus** · 06-30-2010 05:55 AM

One more post for this thread: I kept my stats in a spreadsheet, so it was easy to make some tables for the data. Attached is the visual representation of the data from 12-20-09 through 2-10-10 (with a few small gaps). My data collection kinda went downhill after that... oh well. At least I got the main adjustment period captured.

As you can see, my reaction time got generally faster. While this could have been because I got used to the test, it's a good sign that it didn't get worse. The weight and body fat...well it might have been the sleep schedule that made it go up or it might have been all the bad food I was eating. (I expected to get cravings for healthier foods like I did when attempting Dymaxion, but I didn't notice as big a difference on Everyman, maybe because it wasn't as harsh an adjustment). As for the blood pressure and pulse, I'm not sure exactly how to interpret it, except that it seemed to vary more later on and was steadier during the initial adjustment.

**Hidden** · 07-02-2010 08:35 AM

Cool data, thanks for posting it. I'm impressed that you recorded all that stuff. I wouldn't have thought to.

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