Thread: How Many Hackers Do We Have Around Here

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Originally Posted by Howietzer

I can&#39;t even get into my own account 1/2 the time.
I disagree that they are necessary.

That is like saying robbers are necessary so new breakthroughs in home security can be found.
No robber no lock.[/b]

You obviously have no clue what a hacker is.

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And to put it in your context, to make it easier, a "Lock/alarm system testing employee" of the company that made said locks/alarm systems is also a hacker.

also, hacking doesn&#39;t automatically mean security

hence stuff like this
http://www.phpbbhacks.com/

Originally Posted by TweaK

You obviously have no clue what a hacker is.

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And to put it in your context, to make it easier, a "Lock/alarm system testing employee" of the company that made said locks/alarm systems is also a hacker.[/b]

What is a hacker then?
Sure, call it a computer enthusiast.
Cut to the chase, a hacker as the average person knows them to be, is a computer user who attempts to gain unauthorized access to other&#39;s computer systems. no?

If that is so. If no hackers existed then no spy ware, AVG, Norton or any other program of that manner would have to exist.

we&#39;ve lost the battle
language is fluid, I guess
hacker now means unsavoury person

didn&#39;t used to be
used to be called Crackers (as in to crack into a system)

hacker used to do ad-hoc alterations to software (usually to fast-fix problems, etc.)
hacking up source code

but whatever
to be honest

hacker now means unsavoury person[/b]

Wait, you mean "slacker"?

used to be called Crackers[/b]

Hey, hey... no need to get racist&#33;&#33;

What was the name of that movie about hacking? Wasn&#39;t it "Hackers"? (Angelina Jolie sportin a super short haircut).

yes
believe the big-budget hollywood film, you WWII winning son of a gun, you

fuckin&#39; enigma machine bollocks

I answered "yes". In the "old school" meaning (see in the "jargon dictionnary" : Meaning of hack : Hacking might be characterized as ‘an appropriate application of ingenuity&#39;)

I just enjoy "knowing how it works" (mainly in computers).

For me, lucid dreams are perfectly in the hacking spirit: this means going beyond the standard usage of our brain capabilities, and do something with them that was not planned for, but is nevertheless very fun. If I was a "cracker", I would have the same knowledge, but using it for personnal greed instead, like brainwashing others.

Originally Posted by Howietzer

I can&#39;t even get into my own account 1/2 the time.
I disagree that they are necessary.

That is like saying robbers are necessary so new breakthroughs in home security can be found.
No robber no lock.[/b]

Sort of.

Unfortunately its not as easy to separate personal security on the internet from national security.

I don&#39;t think theres hard proof of military action on the internet, but theres plenty of evidence that theres more coming from China than you might expect from disparate individuals out to make money.

Its also difficult to separate security from privacy. Or security from robustness against unintentional failures.

The mindset and tools of a "hacker" are not obviouslly evil or distinct from those used productively. It&#39;s the morals that cause the real problem.

Originally Posted by MindDaguerreotype

I answered "yes". In the "old school" meaning (see in the "jargon dictionnary" : Meaning of hack : Hacking might be characterized as ‘an appropriate application of ingenuity&#39;)

I just enjoy "knowing how it works" (mainly in computers).

For me, lucid dreams are perfectly in the hacking spirit: this means going beyond the standard usage of our brain capabilities, and do something with them that was not planned for, but is nevertheless very fun. If I was a "cracker", I would have the same knowledge, but using it for personnal greed instead, like brainwashing others.[/b]

yeah I think of lucid dreaming as hacking real life, it&#39;s kind of like a program they had for runescape were you can have everything the game has to offer but there is no one but you who is in it, only about 1000000 times better, because runescape was about showing off your hard work, and social connection (which can be achieved in lucids)

As I say in my profile you can hack the experiences in real life, and experience everything possible.

So yeah I&#39;m a life hacker

Also, there would be less software development without hackers.

Okay I watched this thread progress just to get a general idea of what everyone’s opinions were in regards to hacking. Now here&#39;s the deal.

Basically in short "Hacker" is a loaded word. The hacker community and it&#39;s a thriving online community which includes but is not limited to technophiles, curiosity seekers, cybervandals, and outright thieves and fraudsters. The technophiles love to take apart software to see how it works or what they can make it do. Some write tools and applications such as password crackers, vulnerability scanners, and anonymity tools, and make them freely available on the Internet or hacker Web sites and message boards. Some devote long hours to uncovering flaws in software that make systems less secure by allowing destructive worms and viruses to gain access.

As for the others, the intruders, vandals, virus writers, and thieves They are criminals, pure and simple. At their most benign, they are trespassers, rummaging through proprietary systems and databases. Hackers also are responsible for Web defacements, denial-of-service attacks, and identity theft. Some see themselves as rebels or revolutionaries, or "hactivists" spreading a message of anarchy and freedom. Some are simple mercenaries who write tools, known as exploits, to take advantage of security flaws and make it easier to penetrate systems. In some cases, they sell that information to spammers, organized crime, other hackers, or the intelligence services of foreign countries.

Hackers are blamed for unleashing worms and viruses that have cost businesses billions of dollars a year in damages. The problems they cause have gotten so bad that Microsoft created a &#036;5 million fund to provide rewards for information leading to the capture of the people responsible for those attacks a few years ago. Microsoft is fed up with the damage done to its reputation and, increasingly, to its revenue stream and I’m fed up with it also>

I&#39;m just a hack.

Does this count?

Originally Posted by Howietzer

If that is so. If no hackers existed then no spy ware, AVG, Norton or any other program of that manner would have to exist.[/b]

If no criminals existed, there would be no need for doors, locks or alarm systems.

For me it depends on how you define hacker. If you define hacker as someone who hacks into computers/software or something then no. I don&#39;t know programming and that stuff. If you define hacker as someone who likes to modify stuff to their liking (like unblock the PC/Cell Phone media transfer block Verizon had on my phone, or finding keygens online to make Windows XP "Genuine"), then yes I am one and proud. I like exploiting the flaws already present in hardware/software to make it do what I want, and not what the maker wanted me to do with it, and that is why I voted yes, but it isn&#39;t like I go looking around trying to exploit flaws present in stuff for the heck of it (and never to do what I percieve as damage. I also like to "mod" hardware when possible, and some projects I would like to try are the "Soap Mouse" and a homebuilt streering wheel + pedals for PS2 (It actually wouldn&#39;t be difficult, just a few 10K pots, and a steering wheel + pedals from an old car, and a cheap controller, like the Superman controller which is 10 bucks and easy to solder).

Originally Posted by TweaK

If no criminals existed, there would be no need for doors, locks or alarm systems.[/b]

This list could go on and on. If you sit and brainstorm, it is amazing the amount of effort put towards, stealing cheating, hacking etc..
Kaniaz hacked into chat.. .enough said. I think we all new what was said.

HACKER ALLERT&#33; HACKER ALERT&#33;

Originally Posted by Seeker

I&#39;m just curious. White hat, Black hat, green hat, whatever. I know there are several of you that love to hack into stuff. So, how many of you are out there and why does it interest you?

If you feel nervous answering this thread, you can just fill in the poll.
[EDIT] I voted no, I am not a hacker although I was in my younger days. Now my life is too busy fighting entropy.[/b]

People need to learn and get it straight that a hacker isn&#39;t someone who seek to destroy and break into computers and create problems. Hacker is a term used to describe someone that solve problems to benefit people. I am sure that people out there that are "real hacker" is pretty angry.

A "cracker" is someone who break into things and try to destroy it.

Ne-yo&#33;

Answer my damn question please. Thank you.

Originally Posted by f3if3i

People need to learn and get it straight that a hacker isn&#39;t someone who seek to destroy and break into computers and create problems. Hacker is a term used to describe someone that solve problems to benefit people. I am sure that people out there that are "real hacker" is pretty angry.

A "cracker" is someone who break into things and try to destroy it.[/b]

Saying that is discrediting crackers; people who reverse engineer programs and essentially "crack" them. Hence the name "cracker".

The proper name for somebody "who break into things and try to destroy it", is a vandal.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Ne-yo&#33;

Answer my damn question please. Thank you.[/b]

Well aren&#39;t we a little Apprehensive. Did you even know the guy? Besides I answered the question but out of respect for Kaniaz I can&#39;t go into much detail, I&#39;m sure you understand.

I&#39;m not a hacker but im a close friend of the guy who hacked myspace and put up a message on the its main page for about 10 mins i think it was

I&#39;ve "hacked" into a couple things when I was bored.
I know next to nothing about computers so I was basically going blind.

My friend thinks he&#39;s such an awesome hacker, though actually he&#39;s just what&#39;s known as a "script-kiddie" He just downloads programs that do the hacking for him lol

Network penetration testing is part of my job (i like to think). In the past, before the job, ive hacked and used to enjoy it, nearly all targets i gained access to were legaly hacked heh. For anyone who&#39;s been involved its an interesting scene, still have many links who are active but im far from calling myself a hacker... im a good boy .

I agree with MindDaguerreotype though, for me its about learning, gaining knowledge, I dont think you can tar everyone with the same brush, not everyones out to cause problems for others. A large part of my interest in lucid dreaming arises through a drive to hack the mind, gain more control etc.

I also got into serial and program cracking (as in cracking software such as 30 day trial programs etc) but never released keygens or serials, its just a sport like lockpicking was :&#092;, never did anyone any harm.... and the vast majority of apps i didnt even want, just enjoyed cracking them.

Ive incriminated myself enough now... thanks seeker.