I know I've posted so many threads but this is just hard..

[Jay12341235]

Snowboy, how many times have you truthfully WILDed? If you want a real technique, than this is it: YouTube - How to induce an Out Of Body Experience - part 1 - Sleep Paralysis Whatever anyone says, sleep paralysis is the best gateway to lucid dreams. This technique actually works, and be sure to watch part 2. Call it an OBE or a lucid dream, I don't care. Spoiler for Contains information about the creator of the video and where to find him: This video was made by a man named Ben and you can find him and chat with him almost all the time at a sight called http://meta-mind.org or read his thousands of posts at http://astralviewers.com. He's had thousands of OBEs/Lucid dreams

[Snowboy]

Snowboy, how many times have you truthfully WILDed? I have never done an intentional WILD, although I have performed an accidental one in conjunction with a FILD. I just happen to know a good deal about WILDs. The technique I described is different from WILDs in several respects, but I'm not going to describe them right now. The WILD technique is a good one, I will admit that, I recommend it as well, but I'm just not looking to go through HH (frightening experiences when I was younger). I will provide any help that people want and I will say what I feel logically makes sense. I'm not sure if you asked that because of some things that I said that are contradictory to some WILD techniques, but I said that just in case.

[Mzzkc]

I have never done an intentional WILD, although I have performed an accidental one in conjunction with a FILD. I just happen to know a good deal about WILDs. The technique I described is different from WILDs in several respects, but I'm not going to describe them right now. Your technique is a WILD wherein you use mind clearing 'exercises' as an anchor. The reason you've never gotten it to work is because that's a terrible anchor. The WILD technique is a good one, I will admit that, I recommend it as well, but I'm just not looking to go through HH (frightening experiences when I was younger). I will provide any help that people want and I will say what I feel logically makes sense. I'm not sure if you asked that because of some things that I said that are contradictory to some WILD techniques, but I said that just in case. It's basically your typically taught WILD with a long WBTB using a simple mental anchor and some various transition methods. It won't work for everyone, and I do not approve of the music and nightmare-inducing imagery in the vids.

[Jay12341235]

Your technique is a WILD wherein you use mind clearing It's basically your typically taught WILD with a long WBTB using a simple mental anchor and some various transition methods. It won't work for everyone, and I do not approve of the music and nightmare-inducing imagery in the vids. It's not, your typically taught WILD does not include sleep paralysis. It's rare when I see techniques that involve REAL sleep paralysis. Over half of the DV population thinks that it's when your body is numb, but somehow they "moved" and got out of it. You can't move, therefore cannot exit it by moving (at least not right away). The images are there to prepare you for a typical SP experience. The experience is incredibly scary for most first timers and it would be even more cruel for him to put you into something like that unexpectidly. Sleep paralysis is almost always accompanied by a sudden feeling of terror. If you honestly can't handle it, don't rely on sleep paralysis because it's not for you, but it's still debateably the best way to get lucid dreams.

[Mzzkc]

It's not, your typically taught WILD does not include sleep paralysis. It's rare when I see techniques that involve REAL sleep paralysis. Over half of the DV population thinks that it's when your body is numb, but somehow they "moved" and got out of it. You can't move, therefore cannot exit it by moving (at least not right away). The images are there to prepare you for a typical SP experience. The experience is incredibly scary for most first timers and it would be even more cruel for him to put you into something like that unexpectidly. Sleep paralysis is almost always accompanied by a sudden feeling of terror. If you honestly can't handle it, don't rely on sleep paralysis because it's not for you, but it's still debateably the best way to get lucid dreams. A bit of a misquote there, as only my second point was referencing the vid. I think you've fallen prey to the misinformation out there. By their very definition, all legitimate WILD techniques inevitably include dealing with SP, not the fake, "numb" 'SP' many clueless people like referencing. As it is, SP isn't as bad as people make it out to be (most of the time, there are always exceptions). Luckily, the worst most people have to deal with is intense buzzing, odd sounds, and powerful vibrations. More demented HH is infrequent, at best. But the most important thing to not here, though, is that the goal presented in the vid is never to achieve SP, it's to "Separate" or, in more relate-able terms, fall asleep by directly entering a dream. You need to recognize SP to do that, yes, but trying to directly induce SP isn't the best way to go about things. Instead, it's better to let SP happen by itself during your normal WILD attempt, realize what's happening, then try out a transitional method.

[Jay12341235]

But the most important thing to not here, though, is that the goal presented in the vid is never to achieve SP, it's to "Separate" or, in more relate-able terms, fall asleep by directly entering a dream. You need to recognize SP to do that, yes, but trying to directly induce SP isn't the best way to go about things. Instead, it's better to let SP happen by itself during your normal WILD attempt, realize what's happening, then try out a transitional method. The entire video (and part 2) revolves around sleep paralysis. It is the key state for a sure way to go from reality to dreaming with full awareness if you actually enter SP. Most normal WILD methods don't come close to priming you properly for sleep paralysis and it's a great idea to induce SP and not wait for it to happen on it's own because of this. Why wouldn't you want to induce the 'gateway' into a lucid dream? That doesn't make sense to me.

[Maria92]

Rather than trying to "force" SP, perhaps it is better simply to let it happen like to does every single night naturally, then recognize it and transition into a dream. Really, this saves a lot of hassle.

[Sydney]

Ooh yeah 2 LDs in a row. Except this one didn't last long. I woke up for my timer at the same time again, and I was too comfortable and warm to get up to WBTB. -.- I'm so lazy.. I tried to do it without WBTB and it made me fall asleep.. but the quick "lapse in awareness" made me have another DILD I think it was after another dream but I did a RC, either in my room or in my school's locker room. It felt totally unstable and the dream felt like it was slipping away. I kept breathing through my nose and everything went black. Completely black. But I was breathing through my nose still. o.o

[Jay12341235]

Rather than trying to "force" SP, perhaps it is better simply to let it happen like to does every single night naturally, then recognize it and transition into a dream. Really, this saves a lot of hassle. Except it's extremely hard to 'let sleep paralysis happen'. Have you done this yourself? It's not that simiple

[Jay12341235]

Rather than trying to "force" SP, perhaps it is better simply to let it happen like to does every single night naturally, then recognize it and transition into a dream. Really, this saves a lot of hassle. Except it's extremely hard to 'let sleep paralysis happen' without pre sleep or the right idea of what to do. Have you done this yourself? It's not that simiple.

[cmind]

I'm new here, but not to lucid dreaming in general. Here's my take: If you 'let' SP happen, by thinking about other things, it will sometimes happen and sometimes not happen. But if you TRY to make SP happen, it will never work, guaranteed. The best you can get is what we call "fake" SP, which is where you basically just work yourself up but you're nowhere near actual SP.

[Jay12341235]

I'm new here, but not to lucid dreaming in general. Here's my take: If you 'let' SP happen, by thinking about other things, it will sometimes happen and sometimes not happen. But if you TRY to make SP happen, it will never work, guaranteed. The best you can get is what we call "fake" SP, which is where you basically just work yourself up but you're nowhere near actual SP. I'm sorry for not being clear, but I agree that you should be passive with your attempts to induce SP. You just need to prime yourself for the experience beforehand. That's exactly what the video in the previous post shows to do, and even goes through some steps on how to be passive with your attempts.

[Sydney]

I almost got SP yesterday. I had a cold, so I decided to take a nap to feel better. Lol. Instead of napping, I tried to WILD. I layed there for what seemed like forever with my arm under me to induce pain. About thirty minutes or so into it I felt a slight tingle in my feet. At that moment, that's when my body was totally numb and it was super uncomfortable, for my arm was hurting terribly and instead of it being under me, it felt like I had layed my arm on me. That's how numb I was. I couldn't tell if it was still under me or not. So I moved, because I thought I had cut the circulation off of my arm. I sort of did, but not to a good extent. I'm just glad I got some little tingling sensations though. No success last night, because my throat hurt so bad I would swallow every 2 minutes.

[Jay12341235]

I almost got SP yesterday. I had a cold, so I decided to take a nap to feel better. Lol. Instead of napping, I tried to WILD. I layed there for what seemed like forever with my arm under me to induce pain. About thirty minutes or so into it I felt a slight tingle in my feet. At that moment, that's when my body was totally numb and it was super uncomfortable, for my arm was hurting terribly and instead of it being under me, it felt like I had layed my arm on me. That's how numb I was. I couldn't tell if it was still under me or not. So I moved, because I thought I had cut the circulation off of my arm. I sort of did, but not to a good extent. I'm just glad I got some little tingling sensations though. No success last night, because my throat hurt so bad I would swallow every 2 minutes. You weren't near SP. SP is not a numb feeling, sleep paralysis involves halucinations both auditory and visual. You will know 100% when you reach it, no questions asked. Please, use the video I posted above if you're serious about WILDing via sleep paralysis. If you keep doing what you are doing I can guarantee you that you will not reach sleep paralysis. Another note, you cannot simply 'move' to get out of SP. You should find that even if you try to move you will be unable to.

[Maria92]

You weren't near SP. SP is not a numb feeling, sleep paralysis involves halucinations both auditory and visual. You will know 100% when you reach it, no questions asked. Please, use the video I posted above if you're serious about WILDing via sleep paralysis. If you keep doing what you are doing I can guarantee you that you will not reach sleep paralysis. Another note, you cannot simply 'move' to get out of SP. You should find that even if you try to move you will be unable to. Disregard this man. You were experiencing the early onset of SP. And yes, you can indeed move to get out of SP. Its effects rapidly dissolve if you try to move, or even open your eyes. Your brain isn't stupid...it will let you move if you really want to. With regards to laying on your arm...I would recommend trying to enter SP without doing that a few times first, just to get a feel for it. You'll be better prepared for future attempts if you know what to expect...I personally find my numbing sensation disturbing, but I've been getting closer to SP by coping with it gradually. Since SP is quite personal, knowing what to expect from it can be of advantage. You might also want to try out a different anchor if you find that laying on your arm is too painful/distracting. A fan or AC unit running in the background supplies a nice amount of white noise that you can focus on and use to your advantage.

[Jay12341235]

Disregard this man. You were experiencing the early onset of SP. And yes, you can indeed move to get out of SP. Its effects rapidly dissolve if you try to move, or even open your eyes. Your brain isn't stupid...it will let you move if you really want to. With regards to laying on your arm...I would recommend trying to enter SP without doing that a few times first, just to get a feel for it. You'll be better prepared for future attempts if you know what to expect...I personally find my numbing sensation disturbing, but I've been getting closer to SP by coping with it gradually. Since SP is quite personal, knowing what to expect from it can be of advantage. You might also want to try out a different anchor if you find that laying on your arm is too painful/distracting. A fan or AC unit running in the background supplies a nice amount of white noise that you can focus on and use to your advantage. You're telling her to disregard me, but yet you have not experienced it yourself. Because you feel like you're getting closer doesn't mean you are. I challenge you to lay like that for 5 hours and see if you get sleep paralysis I suggest you also take a look at the video I posted above, you may find it useful

[Sydney]

Thanks Mario92. And Jay, I didn't say I was about to enter SP, I could feel that it was close. Or how Mario92 put it, the early onset. No offense, but I don't really feel the need to watch those videos.

[Maria92]

Yes...or to put it more precisely, what you experienced was your brain testing you to see if you're actually asleep before paralyzing your body. It's the precursor to purposely-induced SP. If you can pass the test, your brain will eventually paralyze your body and the HH will start. Passing the test is the hard part. And Jay...experience is not a prerequisite to knowledge.

[cmind]

Sydney, I bet if you tried WILD without putting yourself into some form of pain, you would get a lot further. Sometimes, common sense isn't so common... Yes, blah blah blah LaBerge says blah blah. You can't get into a lucid dream if you're worried about the damage you're doing to your body in the attempt, can you?

[Jay12341235]

right. I wish you luck on achieving SP, but you weren't close. You need pre sleep beforehand, if you disregard this, that's your choice. But you will not get very far.

[Maria92]

right. I wish you luck on achieving SP, but you weren't close. You need pre sleep beforehand, if you disregard this, that's your choice. But you will not get very far. Correction: sleep makes it easier. And her method of trying it during a nap is perfectly valid. The gap between waking up and napping was likely small enough to make the pre-sleep count.

[Jay12341235]

Correction: sleep makes it easier. And her method of trying it during a nap is perfectly valid. The gap between waking up and napping was likely small enough to make the pre-sleep count. Then keep trying. If you've found you haven't gotten there after numorus times, watch the video and learn. That's all I have to say if you aren't willing to learn a way that might be better than your own!

[Maria92]

>implying I try on a regular basis I've only given it a real shot a few times, spaced far and few between, with no prior sleep. I actually prefer Mzzkc's WILD method, with daydreaming as my anchor, and with no prior sleep. It seems to help me get lucid from DILD, and that's good enough for me.

[Jay12341235]

>implying I try on a regular basis I've only given it a real shot a few times, spaced far and few between, with no prior sleep. I actually prefer Mzzkc's WILD method, with daydreaming as my anchor, and with no prior sleep. It seems to help me get lucid from DILD, and that's good enough for me. Then give it a real shot, the right way If you aren't willing to put forth effort, don't expect any success. We could sit and argue this forever, no one will win. YouTube - How to induce an Out Of Body Experience - part 1 - Sleep Paralysis YouTube - How to Induce an Out-Of-Body Experience - Part 2 - Separation Watch them both. I've posted the method on this site before with success. Don't be afraid of the images or music either.

[Sydney]

Um.. enough of this. I'm simply using Billybob's method of mild pain as an anchor. Also you can perfectly WILD in a nap. I watched the first video, and I'm just going to keep with my method. It is a good vid I must say, but I'd rather let SP happen, as Mario92 once said. It was kinda creepy too lol. For anyone that wants to know: Instead of inducing mild pain tonight I'm going to focus on a fan or on my breathing.