Thread: Can people just fix anything i am doing wrong :3

Theres quite a few errors in what you're doing, don't fret however they're all part of the WILD learning curve.

First and foremost by the sounds of things it seems like you're performing a DEILD not a WILD, a DEILD or Dream-Exit Initiated Lucid Dream is where you wake up and rather then get up and walk around (as per a WILD) you merely close your eyes and remain perfectly still, although the idea with DEILD is actually to keep your eyes shut the second you wake up a.k.a never open them at all.

If that's true then I recommend you delve into DEILD threads for advice, otherwise I'm misinterpreting (which I bet I am ). Anyhow I noticed a couple WILD errors:

1. You woke-up at your normal wake-up time, this can work for some people but in my experience it rarely does mainly because you're prepared to wake-up, therefore you're forcing your body into sleep when its basically ready to go.
   
   
2. The WBTB (Wake-Back To Bed Technique) Usually recommends waking 5-6 after sleep then staying awake for 20-45minutes, this is because your REM cycles are longest at this period, you need to experiment to find a time where you just exit a REM cycle where you are tired enough to sleep, but not awake enough to fail the WILD attempt.
   
   
3. You're focusing too much on your body! Way too much. You shouldn't for the most part be aware of anything your body is doing, you need to get into that mindset otherwise even if you do hit SP (Sleep-Paralysis) you're going to instantly exit it because SP requires most dreamers to pay no attention to the sensations. Don't force vibrations that's a big big no go, everything happens naturally just go with the flow and clear your mind.
   
4. Have you looked up a flex-relaxation technique? I use it before every WILD attempt, its perfect to make me feel relaxed and get my to a state where I just want to sleep as opposed to merely wanting to WILD (sleep is your goal remember). You basically flex each body part starting from your feet upwards, you breath in with each tense, hold it for 5 seconds then exhale and let your muscle go limb. Do this all the way up to your head.
   
   
5. Try working on your better distraction/mantra, my personal favorite is counting from 1-10 and back to 1 again, I count a number each time I inhale. Try to passively breath, don't force your breathing otherwise when you get that "heavy breathing" sensation you're going to become too alert. Just let your breathing happen and let your mind wonder. The better your mantra the easier it'll be to ignore those strange sensations.
   
   
   
6. Remember to keep your mind clear, even with a mantra, the GOAL IS TO SLEEP! Therefore you never want to be relaxed, my mindset is always to focus on my distraction/mantra solely but let my mind wander, you don't want to strain but you never want to get into a situation where you're listing off each sensation you're getting. Let your mind be a blank slate and the mantra the only drawing on that slate. If you're going to use breathing as part of your mantra and it gets heavier just continue with the mantra, don't even acknowledge that your breathing has changed or any other sensation. Its a difficult task because even a slight acknowledgement can pull your awareness out, you need to get to a point where you can focus on nothing for long periods, experiment on your own. Try different mantras etc until you can for instance keep your mind completely blank for 15-20 minutes straight.

Oh wow, i never thought i would be doing so many mistakes

thanks

Yeah WILD is such a bitch, I just gave up on trying them.

I don't have a lot of experience but it seems like you are being too aware of everything, try to let your thoughts wander but don't think too long or too hard about anything and keep your mind sort of flowing.

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Originally Posted by Solarflare

Oh wow, i never thought i would be doing so many mistakes

thanks

They're not really mistakes its just part of the experience , I haven't performed a succesfull WILD yet, a lot of those were my initial mistakes. Mainly I haven't been successful because I'm too damn lazy to perform a WBTB but I remember initially I would get so easily excited and it took ages to hit SP, the breathing sensation you refer to put me off for weeks, now I don't notice it, I'm also hitting SP quickly and I can remain relaxed and empty minded during the whole process. I can tell I've made substantial progress since I started and can feel that I'm just teetering on the edge of a successful WILD , just a little more to go.

SP is my issue, every-time I get the vibrations I jump back into alertness, its getting better though, used to last only 5 seconds now I'm lasting a minute in SP. Its amazing when you witness the progress, when I get pissed off and try to get up its really difficult whereas before there was only a slight resistance, like I said it proves that I'm super close.

Also noticed a typo in my earlier post (there are quite a few actually) I said "Therefore you never want to be relaxed", where I was supposed to say "too relaxed", yes you want to be relaxed but too much will inevitably make you fall asleep, that balance between alertness and relaxation is essentially the key to WILD, over-time like me you'll begin to understand what that perfect balance is, the only mission then is to keep that state of mind for the whole process.