Thread: Sp, but nothing else

You saw some HI and then lost the image of it. How long did you stay in SP for? What did you try and do once in SP?

Yeah sounds like an unformed dream to me, just chill out and focus on the HI, let it form.

Yup, like I said in your newbie thread it sounds like you were really close. Just keep it up!

Originally Posted by Mancon

Yup, like I said in your newbie thread it sounds like you were really close. Just keep it up!

Yeah your similar post made me think that there was some shared dreaming going on.
*palm*

Everyone pleasemjust look at the jump start post. I don't want to be too noobish by restating my self.

Sp feels like a lead blanket on you, not numbness. You sure you couldn't move?

it's unmistakable! It definitely doesn't sound like you were in sleep paralysis. Everyone here thinks that when you're numb you're in SP, which is a misconception. That's alright though, there are many good guides to get you there. Here's my favorite. I know the person who made this one and it works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-9hETPjJlo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKglr...eature=related

OBEs, lucid dreams etc. same thing. If what you want is sleep paralysis this is how to do it.

It was a lead blanket that stiffened my muscles

Originally Posted by That

Sp feels like a lead blanket on you, not numbness. You sure you couldn't move?

it's unmistakable! It definitely doesn't sound like you were in sleep paralysis. Everyone here thinks that when you're numb you're in SP, which is a misconception. That's alright though, there are many good guides to get you there. Here's my favorite. I know the person who made this one and it works:

How to induce an Out Of Body Experience - part 1 - Sleep Paralysis - YouTube

How to Induce an Out-Of-Body Experience - Part 2 - Separation - YouTube

OBEs, lucid dreams etc. same thing. If what you want is sleep paralysis this is how to do it.

Goddam if I didn't know anything about sp, the images in that video would scare me right off. Kinda counter-intuitive to inspiring newbies.

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

Goddam if I didn't know anything about sp, the images in that video would scare me right off. Kinda counter-intuitive to inspiring newbies.

:/

I've talked to the creator of the video many times. This is basically his argument:

What would be worse for you, watching a video about sleep paralysis that does not inform you of the scary hallucinations so you have no idea what to expect when you get there and have an absolutely terrifying experience. Or watching a video with an idea of what to expect of the hallucinations so you know not to be afraid of what's to come?

I agree with him, it would be a dick move for him to include pictures of flowers and daisies because that's not what a majority of people get. But as he explains, the fear goes away upon exiting.

Originally Posted by That

:/

I've talked to the creator of the video many times. This is basically his argument:

What would be worse for you, watching a video about sleep paralysis that does not inform you of the scary hallucinations so you have no idea what to expect when you get there and have an absolutely terrifying experience. Or watching a video with an idea of what to expect of the hallucinations so you know not to be afraid of what's to come?

I agree with him, it would be a dick move for him to include pictures of flowers and daisies because that's not what a majority of people get. But as he explains, the fear goes away upon exiting.

But those paintings (which I thought were awesome despite being terrifying) predispose you for a bad experience. What's more they are by their nature completely exaggerated, I doubt that even in a bad experience of deliberately induced SP you have Ringu girls clawing your mouth open and nurse Succubi clamping your mouth shut, the pictures take an artistic license with the experience. Now I've experienced the worst of SP when I was younger and had no clue what it was, but I all I was thinking about as I tried to WILD was those pictures. Imagine how it must be for people who've never experienced sleep paralysis?

Having the feeling that you were covered by a lead blanket is definitely SP; sometimes it occurs as a wave or a sudden block hitting you all at once. You also might know you're in SP because you suddenly have a change in awareness; you might feel more "clear" headed or aware. Maybe you became too excited and thought of your physical body, which can cause the SP transition to cease altogether. You might also have been in the wrong part of your REM cycle; the best time to try a WILD is after 4-6 hours of sleep in the middle of the night, give or take, or 4-6 hours after waking up in the morning during a nap.

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

But those paintings (which I thought were awesome despite being terrifying) predispose you for a bad experience. What's more they are by their nature completely exaggerated, I doubt that even in a bad experience of deliberately induced SP you have Ringu girls clawing your mouth open and nurse Succubi clamping your mouth shut, the pictures take an artistic license with the experience. Now I've experienced the worst of SP when I was younger and had no clue what it was, but I all I was thinking about as I tried to WILD was those pictures. Imagine how it must be for people who've never experienced sleep paralysis?

I have to agree with you; I've watched those same videos before and actually had to stop because of the images (not to mention the music, which is equally creepy). The majority of people I've seen on this site don't have hallucinations of demons or scary-looking people; the pictures remind me of a more allegorical approach to hallucinations than real ones.

I had to stop what could have otherwise been my first successful WILD last night because of the video, maybe I'm just sensitive I was lying there having woken up at 5am, doing my new technique, I was just starting to induce hypnagogia (ala Jeff's free falling WILD) when I felt a rush up from my toes to the dome of my skull. It was exhilarating but absolutely relaxing at the same time. Moments later I felt a second rush, accompanied by a feeling of my awareness being focused around my head and a detachment from the rest of my body, but at the same this awareness expanded, giving the sense that I was expanding out of my skull. Right at that moment I felt a feeling of dread and thought about those paintings (even though I knew that real SP had little to do with the artistic renditions) and I pulled myself out of it. I actually said aloud 'Not ready for that'. :/ I'm excited by the progress however, I feel like I'm definitely going to be successful tonight

If you have no desire to get over your own fears and better yourself, then I have none to help you

What he's not doing is throwing a new experience at you without giving you warning of what to expect first. The fear is your own

If you expected unicorns and got Satan, you probably won't try it again. If you expect Satan, get Satan, and laugh at Satan then you're golden. Nothing in life worth getting comes easy, good luck.

I had to stop what could have otherwise been my first successful WILD last night because of the video, maybe I'm just sensitive I was lying there having woken up at 5am, doing my new technique, I was just starting to induce hypnagogia (ala Jeff's free falling WILD) when I felt a rush up from my toes to the dome of my skull. It was exhilarating but absolutely relaxing at the same time. Moments later I felt a second rush, accompanied by a feeling of my awareness being focused around my head and a detachment from the rest of my body, but at the same this awareness expanded, giving the sense that I was expanding out of my skull. Right at that moment I felt a feeling of dread and thought about those paintings (even though I knew that real SP had little to do with the artistic renditions) and I pulled myself out of it. I actually said aloud 'Not ready for that'. :/ I'm excited by the progress however, I feel like I'm definitely going to be successful tonight

This was caused by you not the video. You weren't ready for it yet (or so you decided) so you were not successful. I don't know why people view fear as a deterrent. If you start to look at it as a way to prove yourself, you'll find things will get much easier

Get out of your comfort zone

That's true for all of life and I guess lucid dreaming in this case.

^^ That

If it's the video I'm thinking it is (which I've posted many times in here), I think it's extremely helpful to anyone who's already experienced SP and was terrified by it. I've heard some really bizarre stories from people like that. But once they've seen the video they understand they weren't visited by a terrifying old hag or demons, it's just dream imagery and can't hurt you.

And Ctharlhie (Awesome name by the way! ) - if you do not face your fears then we'll take away your avatar and replace it with kittens!

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

^^ That

I c wut u did thar

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

^^ That

If it's the video I'm thinking it is (which I've posted many times in here), I think it's extremely helpful to anyone who's already experienced SP and was terrified by it. I've heard some really bizarre stories from people like that. But once they've seen the video they understand they weren't visited by a terrifying old hag or demons, it's just dream imagery and can't hurt you.

And Ctharlhie (Awesome name by the way! ) - if you do not face your fears then we'll take away your avatar and replace it with kittens!

:O

Yeah you guys are right, I dunno why I got freaked out, I've always had the attitude 'you get what you expect' with SP. It's the unknown, being put in a situation where I have no control. And if I have a fear of that, I need to challenge it.

Kittens work every time!

Originally Posted by fOrceez

I c wut u did thar

LOL

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

:O

Yeah you guys are right, I dunno why I got freaked out, I've always had the attitude 'you get what you expect' with SP. It's the unknown, being put in a situation where I have no control. And if I have a fear of that, I need to challenge it.

There you go, live a little!

I think you both have valid points. Yes, it is a good idea to show people what can happen, as is best with many other situations. But in this case, it is also bad to instill ideas and thoughts of bad things into the minds of new people. If you were never told that SP can go badly, and even if people say it can never happen, then odds are newbies won't even consider that bad trips are possible.
However that doesn't mean that they will never have a bad trip, and if they do, it would be multiplied a hundredfold when it is out of the blue.

I think showing off that link is a good idea. So people know it can happen, but they don't have to get ideas from actually watching it.