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[fgopl]

How do I enter a lucid dream after sp

[Avalanche]

I'm just posting to get subbed to this thread, I wanna know myself. I heard that you need to fall asleep while you're in it, so you will wake up with your mind awake while the body has just gone to sleep or something.

[fgopl]

I heard you need to keep the mind awake, and the body will fall asleep

[Avalanche]

Yeah, I think I messed up saying that lol. You stay awake or something, then your body falls asleep, and then... magic. That's all I know.

[Choi]

When you are in full sleep paralysis, you wont even wonder how to get to a dream, because it's already a dream! Your thoughts becomes so vivid that you soon will find yourself experiencing the thought, and that is a dream. To understand this feeling, wake up after a dream and DEILD, because on that awakening if you don't move or open your eyes, you ARE in full sleep paralysis. But if you can't attain this state, then you probably aren't in full sleep paralysis. But you might find that you still can't move or experiencing weird things, this is partial sleep paralysis. And then the goal is to AMPLIFY these sensations so it becomes full sleep paralysis. I haven't done this myself I only use awakenings to enter sleep paralysis, so this have I only read and not experienced myself. But when you are in partial sleep paralysis, you can either visualise or use your senses to transition into the dream. Visualisation: (This althouh I have experienced, but it was still after an awakening so not a traditional WILD) You start by thinking about something, for example let's say you think about soccer. Then after some time the visualisation becomes more vivid, but if you focus on the thought it disapears or loses it's vividness. Soon you will think random thoughts, but will still think about the soccer thing even if your not consciously thinking about it, just like watching tv and thinking about something else at the same time, you will still see the image, although you are not concentrating on it. Then as you get more relaxed, the visualisation becomes more and more vivd and you will start to see things, that you didn't add yourself.. In this example you might start to see the players running on the field. You get surprised, because this isn't your conscious mind working, it's your subconscious! Then you will see the image infront of you, and soon you will find that you are standing there! (You can read my experiences with this in my DJ) Using Sensations: Out-of-Body Experience (OBE) is the source of this and some of my own experiences, but still from awakenings and NOT traditional WILDs! When you are in partial sleep paralysis start to search for cues from the dream, like an image or a sound or even an imagined sensation of moving. If you start to see an fraction of an image, this is a sign that you are close to a dream! Amplify the sensation by, well this was a bad example because if you see an image you should observe it like a panorama taking everything in and not focus on it. So we take the sound example, if you start to hear a sound, amplify the sound by really trying to concentrate on it and amplify the volume of it. If you want more techniques like this visit the obe4u.com and download the free ebook they are offering. I hope this helps. But as I said the key is to reach full sleep paralysis. Ps. Origami you know this too.. and I hope you succeed fgopl!

[Avalanche]

My own experiences has been waking up in bed at night, and moving, rolling over, etc, then after a while S.P. comes over me. I feel the vibrations and some buzzing. I have my eyes open and I see my room, and I feel like I'm being rotated on an axis or being pulled into my bed or something. But then it just wears off and then I just fall asleep normally. What am I supposed to do? During the S.P. I try to amplify the feeling and relax and fall into a dream, but it just doesn't happen.

[Choi]

My own experiences has been waking up in bed at night, and moving, rolling over, etc, then after a while S.P. comes over me. I feel the vibrations and some buzzing. I have my eyes open and I see my room, and I feel like I'm being rotated on an axis or being pulled into my bed or something. But then it just wears off and then I just fall asleep normally. What am I supposed to do? During the S.P. I try to amplify the feeling and relax and fall into a dream, but it just doesn't happen. I just want to be extra clear.. The only experienced information I have is in my DJ so what I am going to write her is from another source as well In the lucidology, (hehe not a popular source around here) he sais that vibrations is a signal to tell you that you are NOT ready to transition, if you feel these kind of sensation all you have to do is to focus on your body and relax it as much as possible, and when the vibrations disapear you are in full sleep paralysis. And also while doing these attempts transitions and you see an imagery and get excited, then sleep paralysis will disapear, because the body now knows that the mind is awake. So make sure that you allways stay calm. But if you have problems with falling asleep unconsciously, I honestly don't know what to do, because there was were my traditional WILD attempt stopped. But on Dreamviews and many other sources they tell you to just focus on something like counting or visualise until it becomes vivid. I wish you good luck

[Avalanche]

Yeah, but whenever the vibrations stop for me, I can move, and it's still my room and after a bit I just roll over and go to sleep or I don't roll over and I go to sleep. Each time I get the same result where nothing happens. What am I supposed to do, if S.P. doesn't even work?

[Choi]

Yeah, but whenever the vibrations stop for me, I can move, and it's still my room and after a bit I just roll over and go to sleep or I don't roll over and I go to sleep. Each time I get the same result where nothing happens. What am I supposed to do, if S.P. doesn't even work? I don't think I can help you more now, as I said I don't WILD. All I can tell you is Why don't you try deild? Then you won't have these problems anymore, because you skip the whole relaxation and concentrating thing. But if you still need help with Traditional WILD ask the Dream Guides they are the masters and they have tutorials too.

[Avalanche]

I think it tried DEILD before, but most of the time I opened my eyes only, and that's the closest I ever got to a proper DEILD. I'll try tonight if I wake up for the hell of it.

[Choi]

I think it tried DEILD before, but most of the time I opened my eyes only, and that's the closest I ever got to a proper DEILD. I'll try tonight if I wake up for the hell of it. Ok, but what do you mean by IF? Use the timer! Haha! We probably should message each other this, so the OP can stay on topic

[fgopl]

Dells is hard...

[fgopl]

I meant deild

[Puffin]

Vibrations don't mean you're not ready to enter SP; it's a sign that you're close to, or in, SP. I've had WILDs where I got vibrations, then a dream immediately formed around me. Once you reach SP, it's best to keep relaxing and completely ignore whatever hallucinations or sensations you're getting. Wait a few moments and see what happens; if nothing seems to be happening, imagine tactile, visual, and auditory sensations as strongly as you can. Envision yourself in a certain location (see through your own eyes, don't look at it from 3rd person) and imagine you're actually there, seeing your surroundings and everything. The vision will either expand to encapsulate you in a dream, or everything will stop - in this case, you've either failed or have entered a false awakening, so be sure to do an RC!

[DreamVail]

To tell a trade secret, Dream induced Lucid dreams have to be triggered. Something in you has to realize that you are dreaming. This cannot be bought in the local fishmart. You have to search your heart. You have to be willing to face yourself in the mirror, and you have to break ties with normal thinking, but if you are not one bright shining penny, you may just become another nutcase, but really, you have what to lose? Sometimes, losing is gaining.

[Avalanche]

dude what

[DreamVail]

dude what Your dreams will mirror what you focus on during waking times. It really does not work to focus on what or how you want to dream. Your dreaming mind is connected to everything while your waking mind is much more narrowly focused on the here and now. The waking mind has to open up for the dreaming mind to be encountered, and it takes those special pennies I mentioned to be able to get there. It takes a lot of spaciousness in the waking mind to encounter and play with that ultra-spaciousness that the dreaming mind provides and loves. Short answer is you cannot get there by logic and listening to gurus or what.

[Avalanche]

Oh I see now.

[technoviking]

When I go into SP I get so scared that I wake up based on what is happening around me. I suppose if I let my body get passed this scary realm perhaps I would naturally fall into a dream. But to me it feels like forever just feeling other things in the room touching me. But then again after reading up on SP, its normal since the part of your brain that controls fear because quite active in SP.

[Choi]

When I go into SP I get so scared that I wake up based on what is happening around me. I suppose if I let my body get passed this scary realm perhaps I would naturally fall into a dream. But to me it feels like forever just feeling other things in the room touching me. But then again after reading up on SP, its normal since the part of your brain that controls fear because quite active in SP. Yeah it's true many people have problem with that when they are in sleep paralysis. Maybe it's because I don't watch horrow movies, I never experience those things I haven't had a nightmare for 6 years!

[technoviking]

lol yeah honestly if I could go back as a child I would not have watched half the movies, very influential on anything creepy sounding.