I can't reach LD

**storm1508** · 02-12-2012 07:57 AM

Okay, I've been experiencing in WILD for months
I can't count how much I've had SP, but my LD's counts still can be counted by fingers
I've two main problems
1. Everytime I get SP, I always can't breathe fluently *sorry, I don't know how to say it in English* , that makes my breathing pattern changes which means my SP will fail, any suggestions?
2. Almost all of my SPs are ended up with nothing, neither sleeping nor entering dream world, but I'm still laying on my bed, any suggestions?

Sorry for my bad English,
Thanks before

**fOrceez** · 02-12-2012 11:34 AM

Perhaps if you don't feel WILD is a good method for you, you could try different methods. Different methods are suited for each person, some will work better than the other.
If you don't want to change methods, even if you feel like you can't breathe properly just relax. As long as you don't get too excited or scared, everything will be okay. Also, when are you trying your WILD attempts?

**storm1508** · 02-12-2012 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by fOrceez

Perhaps if you don't feel WILD is a good method for you, you could try different methods. Different methods are suited for each person, some will work better than the other.
If you don't want to change methods, even if you feel like you can't breathe properly just relax. As long as you don't get too excited or scared, everything will be okay. Also, when are you trying your WILD attempts?

I have tried DILD too, and i know it does not bring a good result to me, so i decide to back to WILD again
I attempt it before and after WBTB
I am relax, but somehow, i cannot breathe normally when i enter SP

**fOrceez** · 02-13-2012 02:24 AM

Just go with it and continue to relax. Have you tried a different position?

**storm1508** · 02-13-2012 04:59 AM

That's a good suggestion, but unfortunately I've
Lying to the right and side or on my back
The first month I'm learning WILD, my SPs had never been like this
The next months, it comes like this
I'm confused with it

Also, my SPs are a little bit different from what I've read here, when I enter SP, there are some sounds heard, when the vibrations start, the sounds vanish, and my vibrations aren't such as the members of DV have ever experienced , it just a vibration, not too strong and not too weak, I'm not feeling like my head is upside down

Any more suggestions?

Once more, sorry for my bad English

**storm1508** · 02-15-2012 08:29 AM

Anyone minds to answer?

**Zoth** · 02-15-2012 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by storm1508

Anyone minds to answer?

Need to have patience. Many people work/study during the day so it takes some time to get your post answered

Remember that SP is not always noticed, it doesn't always happen in such a strong manifestation, and many WILDers encounter transitions without any HH or SP every time they perform it. You sure you're experiencing it and not just a shift between sleep stages? What time of night you go to bed and wake up to do a WILD?

**storm1508** · 02-16-2012 11:09 AM

I'm sure they are busy
I'm just too excited to get the answer so I could have a lucid dream soon

If as what you've said before that everybody is not always feeling the same sensation, like me for instace, how can I know when I get to LD?

I'm not too frequent to attempt for LD before having a sleep first,
I don't have the exact time when I wake up to do WILD, I just make myself believe that I could wake up in the middle of night at random time
It works, so I seldom using alarm clock

**fOrceez** · 02-16-2012 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by storm1508

That's a good suggestion, but unfortunately I've
Lying to the right and side or on my back
The first month I'm learning WILD, my SPs had never been like this
The next months, it comes like this
I'm confused with it

Also, my SPs are a little bit different from what I've read here, when I enter SP, there are some sounds heard, when the vibrations start, the sounds vanish, and my vibrations aren't such as the members of DV have ever experienced , it just a vibration, not too strong and not too weak, I'm not feeling like my head is upside down

Any more suggestions?

Once more, sorry for my bad English

Like i said, just relax. Relax while keep a small portion of awareness is key to transitioning

**storm1508** · 02-18-2012 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by fOrceez

Like i said, just relax. Relax while keep a small portion of awareness is key to transitioning

I believe in what you have suggested to me before will make a result, but
Though I'm keeping myself stay relax, I still encounter the same problem, "I can't breathe normally"
This really puzzles me

**fOrceez** · 02-18-2012 01:32 AM

It's just something that can come with sleep paralysis. It's not something that everyone gets, I've only had that a few times. Make the best out of what you can. Mostly likely, you'll have to just live through that problem of not being able to breathe properly in SP

**storm1508** · 02-18-2012 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by fOrceez

It's just something that can come with sleep paralysis. It's not something that everyone gets, I've only had that a few times. Make the best out of what you can. Mostly likely, you'll have to just live through that problem of not being able to breathe properly in SP

I like your reply

Nice suggestion, that surely has openend my mind

Hope tonight I can pass my SP