Is this what shuold happen during a WILD?

[blankrofl]

I've read a lot about WILD, including the basic WILD, CAN-WILD, Free-Falling WILD (most successful for me), and have been attempting them each night. The main problem is the distinction between stages during WILD, it's hard for me to tell exactly what is happening. For example, the other night I tried to enter sleep-paralysis for the first time just to feel it. (Free-Falling WILD) I layed down, got comfortable and relaxed, laying on my back. I stared at the blackness of my eyes, waiting for illogical thoughts, when they were frequent, I slowed my breathing and tried to feel a mental separation from my body. I felt like I had zoomed way out of my body, but couldn't really see anything. From there I started to feel a little numb, just a bit, but could tell I can still move. I slowly got more and more numb, and eventually felt waves of energy, sort of, hard to explain. Along with this I felt like my body was almost gone, but I could still feel it, my body felt like an empty shell, with my now incredibly fast heart beat throughout my body. It just sort of continues like this, each time I try a WILD. I just feel my strong heart beat, feel a little numb, sometimes the process repeats cause I swallow or something. I never lose consciousness, but the WILD never continues from here, and I never enter full SP, just like 1/4 SP. I also don't see many images in my head, I may see a sort of dream type thing appear, but it fades away soon after, and this 1/4 SP continues. What am I doing wrong? Btw I've tried all this without WBTB, whenever I use WBTB I can't keep conscious after I go back to sleep in the wee hours of the morning. EDIT: Also another thing, at any stage during WILD, my eyes don't want to stay closed, I can calm myself enough to stare straight and ignore them, but my eye lids slowly open when I'm relaxed. At the latter stages of WILD, I'm tempted to open my eyes just in-case it's some sort of false awakening, what should I do in these cases? Thanks, Zach.

[surrealdreams]

Yes that is partial sleep paralysis ways to convert partial paralysis into full paralysis are muscle twitching relaxing more and pause breaths hope this helps

[blankrofl]

Yes that is partial sleep paralysis ways to convert partial paralysis into full paralysis are muscle twitching relaxing more and pause breaths hope this helps Well I will have random twitches in this half paralysis, and it will either snap me out of it or slows the progress down. I keep finding also that while trying to relax I will have a muscle constantly tense, and will end up relaxing it, despite already being in partial paralysis.

[Ctharlhie]

I'm afraid that Surrealdream's advice may be a bit misleading. It's actually impossible for us to tell whether what you experienced was sleep paralysis and, until you experience a successful WILD, it's also impossible for you to tell. In my experience there is no such as 'partial' sleep paralysis, sleep paralysis (or as it's more technically known as 'REM atonia') is a state of a complete lack of muscle tone that the brain implements when we dream to prevent us acting out our dreams, it's not something that can be half on, you're either in a state of atonia or you aren't. As such, it usually occurs only after we've already started dreaming. The numbness usually experienced by newbies during WILD attempts is just... numbness, and pins and needles from long periods of lying still. You should aim to enter a dream as to aim for sleep paralysis as a goal is defeating the purpose. I keep finding also that while trying to relax I will have a muscle constantly tense, and will end up relaxing it, despite already being in partial paralysis. It seems to me that you are trying too hard. You shouldn't be waiting or expecting something to happen, the physical sensations you experienced are likely as a result of you tensing up (which will prevent you from entering a dream) and partly just suggestibility as your brain tries to make you experience this 'SP' you seem to be so focussed on. Your troubles with your eyes suggests you just need to relax. When I started out I'd tense my whole body up and lay there for hours. Any tension at all is just wrong, because believe it or not, you're actually supposed to fall asleep while you, your self-awareness', remain just conscious enough to be carried into the dream lucidly. What's happening is your so eager and expectant about WILDing that you're tensing up without realising it and preventing yourself from sleeping. You should be letting your mind wander (free floating state of mind) while implementing a mental anchor (like counting) to retain your awareness). You should definitely use WBTB as when you first go to bed your brain is geared for deep sleep, delta sleep, and not to dream. Check out this guide http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/mzzkcs...-guide-105484/ and try attending Sageous' WILD class WILD (Sageous)

[dms111]

There are no stages in a WILD. There is only awake and asleep. A WILD occurs when you manage to fall asleep while still keeping your consciousness aware. If you consciously experience SP you have already succeeded because SP is only experienced when you remain aware as you enter sleep. So SP is not a separate stage, it's just the term used for the brief transition from reality to dream, since dreams don't appear instantaneously when you fall asleep. What you're doing wrong is you're too focused. This is preventing you from falling asleep. Your focus is creating all those sensations but they are not related to SP. I slowed my breathing and tried to feel a mental separation from my body. I felt like I had zoomed way out of my body, but couldn't really see anything. Feeling that mental separation is the right thing to do, but the whole purpose of it is to pull your mind away from your body. If you are still trying to control your breathing, follow changes in your heart rate, feel numbness, then your mind is not pulled away from your body. If it was you wouldn't be noticing that stuff. Images don't start appearing in your head until you start getting very close to sleep. Your focus isn't allowing you to get that close to sleep. ALWAYS WBTB. I know it feels easier to do this before any sleep but this is just an illusion. It's damn near impossible to succeed before any sleep. About your eyelids, do they normally open up a little as you go to sleep? Or does this only occur during your WILD attempts. If it only happens during your WILD attempts it is just another side effect of being too focused. So what you want to do is practice watching yourself fall asleep. Don't be afraid of losing consciousness. It's better to accidentally lose consciousness than it is to stay awake. Lay down with the intention of falling asleep, don't try to influence anything, just watch it as it happens.

[blankrofl]

Thanks for the replies guys, it really helps. I totally thought SP was a gradual transition (btw I already knew about i being called REM atonia, thanks though), and that this gradual transition would sort of stop and restart if you moved. I guess I've been REALLY trying hard to do this, because I've gotten to the point where I can BARELY move any of my body, and it sort of feels like SP should. The two problems I have though now is being relaxed, and WBTB. I found last night that my alarm couldn't wake me up sufficiently, I had my iphone alarm set to the "Alarm" sound which is this loud nuclear strike type sounding alarm, with the volume all the way up next to my ear. I drempt about hearing a strange noise coming from the sky, and finally woke up, turned it off, and went back to bed almost unconsciously. I also tried the previous night to get up and play a game of UNO on my phone to try and wake me up a bit, didn't work and I slipped off during WILD. One last thing, how is the success rate of doing WILD during an afternoon nap, cause I tried that the other day with no success, I just laid there for an hour trying to observe something happening. Thanks again!

[Ctharlhie]

Thanks for the replies guys, it really helps. I totally thought SP was a gradual transition (btw I already knew about i being called REM atonia, thanks though), and that this gradual transition would sort of stop and restart if you moved. I guess I've been REALLY trying hard to do this, because I've gotten to the point where I can BARELY move any of my body, and it sort of feels like SP should. The two problems I have though now is being relaxed, and WBTB. I found last night that my alarm couldn't wake me up sufficiently, I had my iphone alarm set to the "Alarm" sound which is this loud nuclear strike type sounding alarm, with the volume all the way up next to my ear. I drempt about hearing a strange noise coming from the sky, and finally woke up, turned it off, and went back to bed almost unconsciously. I also tried the previous night to get up and play a game of UNO on my phone to try and wake me up a bit, didn't work and I slipped off during WILD. One last thing, how is the success rate of doing WILD during an afternoon nap, cause I tried that the other day with no success, I just laid there for an hour trying to observe something happening. Thanks again! Like DMS said, you can induce a trance state in which you seem to be in sleep paralysis but that isn't going to lead to a dream. If alarms don't work too well then use auto-suggestion as you fall asleep to make yourself wake during the night. Naps are if anything more difficult than WBTB as you've had such a long period of wakefulness, the challenge is to fall asleep, you have to concentrate on falling asleep and yet still retain awareness. Have you tried V-WILD?

[blankrofl]

Like DMS said, you can induce a trance state in which you seem to be in sleep paralysis but that isn't going to lead to a dream. If alarms don't work too well then use auto-suggestion as you fall asleep to make yourself wake during the night. Naps are if anything more difficult than WBTB as you've had such a long period of wakefulness, the challenge is to fall asleep, you have to concentrate on falling asleep and yet still retain awareness. Have you tried V-WILD? No, what's V-WILD.

[Ctharlhie]

You visualise a dream scene as you fall asleep until you feel yourself enter it. http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/mancon...hnique-128996/ http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/how-vi...ctively-40861/

[blankrofl]

I tried VILD last night. It's very hard for me to VILD during WBTB, as I'm still really tired. Last night though I got up and walked around, tried to play some ipod games, got a drink of water, only stayed up for 7 minutes. Then I tried to VILD again, and sort of half did it right. I then failed and fell asleep, but had the strangest dream I've ever had: ( I don't even know if this is considered a lucid dream, cause I was not aware of ANY of this, but was still observing a lucid dream I was having, just read: ) Weirdest dream I've ever had. - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

[intheworldofnim]

classic case of dreaming about lucid dreaming. forntunatly this is on the spectrum of lucidity in which you were experiencing a layer zero major in which you dreamt about dreaming but never became lucid which is a step above layer zero minor.

[SaW]

I had something similar today.. I were sleeping (after WBTB) and imagining my dream scene.. I lost concentration and started to think what am i going to do tomorrow.. I imagined myself driving with a car in car school. After some time, I caught myself thinking about driving with car, not about my dream scene, but right after that, I felt something weird is coming. I felt like the car driving scene is stuck in my head, I could not get it away. All I did was stop me from accelerating the car, since I was afraid I could crash (seriously, i was afraid cant explain) And BOOM, loud noises in my head and I were able to feel the steer with my hands and the image I had in my mind, zoomed in.. It lasted like that 5 seconds and then I woke up. Failed.