Experienced lucid dreamer, but can NEVER WILD. Advice would be great :)

**Atras** · 09-16-2012 06:50 AM

Hey guys. I've been a member on DV since 2009, and since then I have had close to 200 lucid dreams...not one of them being a WILD. I don't know why, but I have never had any luck with it. I'm gonna detail my average WILD attempt,and maybe someone can catch what I'm doing wrong and give advice!

So normally I either do it during a nap, or after I wake up about 5 hours after sleep. I'll go to the bathroom, check my phone and e-mail, stay up for about 10 minutes, then start.

1. I lie on my back, and stay perfectly still. What I focus on varies, sometimes I focus on my breathing, other times I count down, visualize myself climbing stairs, running, or in a dream scenario.

2. After a couple minutes, my body will start to get numb, and my arms and legs will progressively be harder to move. Eventually I will have complete numbness, and it will seem very hard to move, although I can if I try.

3. After this, probably at around 10-20 minutes, a number of things could happen. I might feel like I am floating on waves, or in the air. I might suddenly feel like I fell into my bed, slipped in my bed, or like there was an earthquake. I might feel like my body is moving in some weird way that's hard to describe. I may start to see dim lights, or patterns. Sometimes my heart rate will escalate or I will feel intense vibrations.

After this happens, I normally think that I am in sleep paralysis.

This is always the farthest I get. I always feel like I am super close to entering the dream, but I never do. After all that happens, It just slowly calms down, and I go back to laying there with just a numb feeling. Its like a roller coaster. I go up up up, experience the intense feelings or hallucinations ( go down) and then its over, no dream.

So yeah. I'm really frustrated with never being able to have a WILD. I've probably done all the techniques in the book, DILD, MILD, DEILD, EILD, but no WILD. So if anyone has any advice, that would be great.

Thanks!

**melanieb** · 09-16-2012 06:59 AM

EVer tried attempting it in a different position/location?

I have achieved WILD in my bed but it's more common for me to have WILD in my living room chair. (<<<--- Just reread this, I swear it's not innuendo. ;P )

I'm a parent of two kids. The school is across the street so as soon as the kiddos are out of my hands I head to my living room chair for more sleep. This puts me in a semi-reclined position which is quite comfortable for sleep but doesn't feel awkward like lying on the back.

My living room aor conditioner is usually on and this provides a nice background noise that drowns out any commuter traffic outside my thin walls.

Being in the living room helps with additional awareness as I'm not in my usual sleep position. As a parent I'm naturally aware at nearly every hour, even when the kids are not home. This makes a great combination for me to have WILDs.

My point is sometimes you need to mix things up. Lose a little sleep some night so the next day you can have some REM Rebound, then try WBTB and WILD in a new sleeping position/location. See if that helps.

**gab** · 09-16-2012 07:14 AM

When you feel vibrations, falling or moving, and when that's over, you should be in a lucid dream. Your dream/astral vision should kick in and you should see your room. When you see it, just get up. I have read these instructions a while ago, but never saw my room, untill one day I did. I think just thinking about it and knowning that I should see it helped me out.

Or, do RC when all that stuff is over to see if you are in a dream, or open your eyes and see if there are any small differences in your room. When you move really fast, know that you are already flying through a dramscape and open your dream eyes. I didn't know this, and every time the movement stopped, I was disappointed that I didn't succeed. Until one day I opened my eyes and I was flying near a beautiful pink galaxy.

If you have not read the WILD class lessons in DV, I highly recommend them.

And as Mel said, the morning nap/WBTB seems to be effective method. I get up in the mornig, sometimes have breakfast, check my emails and then go to watch TV on my sofa (not bed) and watch till sleepy. Then turn it off, put a towel over my head and WILD.

This is a variation of this very successful WBTB method acording to S. LaBerge -

1. wake up 90 min before your normal waking time
2. stay up for 90 min
3. do 10 min of MILD/mantras
4. take a 90 min nap

Hope this helps. Happy dreams