WILD beginner looking for help ( SP part )

[vodthemaker]

Okay, so I've been looking into Lucid dream for a few weeks ( might be the second one since I started, first try was a simple FILD, but everyday since the first try I've been using WBTB and WILD. So, I'm aware of RCs, ADA, Self Awarness, I've used : wild-session-6-doing-dive and naiyas-dild-wild-secrets ( Both Dreamviews tutorials, can't post links since I'm a new member here ) So I'm waking up around 4:30am ( going to bed around 11:30pm ) using an alarm, but I'm quite often waking up by myself a lot of time during the night from 1am to 5am, it's really random and I'm not sure that's a bad thing. So when I woke up I usually just lay still, and that's when things get complicated for me. Most of the time I focus on my breathing and reach semi-paralysis, like either my upper body either my left body, you got what I meant, but I never achieved the full paralysis. I've been to Hypnagogic Imagery ( I think ) Blue stain moving sometimes shadow in shape of faces, but I don't know what to do from there. If I begin focusing on the different images I see, my muscles tense and I lose HI. And if I wait it to pass it just ends. I use a mantra, which is a meaningful sentence to me, anyway I don't think the problem come from it. So If you have any advice, I'm listening! ( or if you want me to explain a step better ) PS: not a native English speaker, be kind :p

[MisakaMikoto]

Hi, I would suggest you extending your wbtb time From 4 -5 hours of sleep up to 6 - 8 maybe if it's possible The more we sleep the less time we spend in nrem before rem And staying in nrem is kinda tricky n' difficult So as the time passes wilding difficulty goes down? Anyways second advice: Don't focus, wait or look for sleep paralysis Same for any wild transition stuff like vibrations or hypnagonic images You don't need to meet any of these sensations to successfully wild I myself had lots of wilds in which i were just lying in most comfortable position for me while being still, using technique till just suddenly appearing in dream You need a three things for wake induced lucid dreams: - Be close to rem - Fall Asleep - Retain Awareness First one is probably one of most important ones Dreams happen mostly in rem and rarely in nrem The more we sleep the shorter nrem becomes and longer becomes rem Assuming that you don't screw up if you'd try wilding at night which is hard as heck then you'd need to endure probably over hour of nrem before entering a rem And that first rem phase would be short around five minutes long and quite dull i guess While doing wild after 6 - 8 hours of sleep might require only few minutes of nrem while having up to one hour and maybe even more of rem (That's how long you can be in your dream world, assuming that you won't lost lucidity or destabilize dream?) Second one is falling asleep Which is probably most important one Without falling asleep you won't be able to lucid dream. No Sleep = No Dreams No Dreams = No Lucidity It's simple as that. You need only body to fall asleep though, when your doing wild technique Your mind needs to stay conscious enough to increase awareness to become lucid or to endure whole nrem till you enter rem and begin lucid dream. Some wild techniques might result in you falling asleep slower, that's not bad assuming that technique will work and give nice lds As long as it's not longer than 30 minutes i'd call this a fine technique. Yet the technique could disrupt you slightly enough to be unable to fall asleep at all which would be the problem zone. The third one is retaining awareness aka using something to keep your consciousness up while your body is asleep It's just that simple Yet doing it is harder unfortunely I'd suggest you reading up those threads: http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ild-guide.html http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ail-wilds.html http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...cid-dream.html Or just signing up for DVA's Sageous WILD Class And also remember to experiment WILDing is most personal technique out of all lucid dreaming ones i belive. You need to find something that works for you at the best rate You might try other peoples techniques or wild guides yet remember to experiment So if technique tells you to stay awake after 6 hours of sleep for 2 hours And after two hours your unable to fall back asleep then how about cutting time off to five minutes Five minutes not long enough since you fall asleep fast? How about 15 mins then? That kind of stuff And now Goodluck Fellow Dreamer

[vodthemaker]

I really appreciate your response. I've read Mzzkc guide, and I find out that I should consider HI, SP, and that stuff kinda like noises. And basically I shouldn't care much about it. I didn't thought about waking up later since I'm never that tired when WBTB which is why I tried using short sleep period, hope it helps :p Anyway thank you kind sir for the answer, I'll keep my post updated if I perform better tonight Oh, so if you failed at your WILD ( I mean you spent too much time trying to fall asleep, more than 30min according to you ) should I just go back to sleep?

[MisakaMikoto]

It's up to you whether continue attempt or not. On your place i'd just either do one of these things: - Continue doing the technique. - Go To Sleep (If i fell like giving up on today's wild attempt?) - Experiment with technique: The first or third would be one of most probatle ones to select by me. Experimenting would be just trying to decrease effectiveness of technique on body sleep (Aka reducing some stuff in technique that might cause it to prevent body from falling asleep or transitinoing me into dream world?). Example: If i were counting up to 30 seconds repeatly then i'd maybe try to cut it from 30 to 15. If i were hoping for uncomfortability + pain helping me stay conscious i'd just make myself a little more relaxed by switching the position which induced uncomfortability/pain That kind of stuff

[vodthemaker]

Ok, so the good news is that I was still tired after waking up around 6am, and I did fall asleep, but I don't remember trying to stay aware for long, maybe I was too tired this morning, anyway I didn't expect it to work that well :p And I remembered at least 3 long dream ( I know I did one more but can't remember it ... ) So I guess I need to work out my awareness stuff but I think I got the right time to attempt my WILD! May I ask what method do you use to keep your consciousness up while your body is asleep? Have a good day and thanks a lot for the help

[MisakaMikoto]

Hi, Since my old methods to keep consciousness up stopped working i'm experimenting with new one which is mix of standard wild n' fild Counting from 1 up to 20 then starting again. While doing so moving fingers like explained in fild tutorial. Yet you shouldn't follow other people's techniques since WILDing is quite personal thingy One technique might work for some people and for other it might not. That's how the WILD works unfortunely? I"d suggest you experimenting and adjusting stuff. Example: You found a technique for wild which makes you count up to sixty then go back to 1 and repeat counting. It keeps you awake and you can't fall asleep? Then how about cutting time to thrity seconds? Able to fall asleep yet you lose consciousness before the very transition. How about trying maybe 40 seconds. This kind of stuff

[vodthemaker]

I know I should use something of my own, but knowing about others method give clue about what could work :p I'll dig up on something this week end and I'll keep you updated.

[vodthemaker]

OK, so I really don't know if I should keep trying WILD, I'm not sure it's for me. At least I think about stopping WBTB. Anyway I do wake up by myself a lot. Saturday night was terible, I slept well, woke up around 6am and then insomnia, didn't manage to find a balance between relaxed and aware, and well, I didn't slept. Yesterday night was ok. I did wrote something like a roadmap, with each step I had to achieve like before WBTB after, before WILD and after. I obviously need practice and time to reach a good balance but I don't know how to, and switching one parameter often leads me to insomnia so that's kind of difficult to pull out. My problem is still before WILD, so I'll write my steps maybe you'll see a problem somewhere. Step 1: Relax. I use a simple method, like slow breathing imagine swaying ( even if I'm kinda bad at imagining doing that kind of thing ) But I have no clue when I've reach the minimum "relax state" if you get what I mean. So I do it for 10-15min I'm not minuting the process, that's approximate Step 2: I try to forget that I have a body and I repeat a mantra to my self, something like "I'm dreaming" and I keep trying visualizing myself doing a reality check. I've done this only one time so far, it didn't stop me from sleeping at least. But I did change my sleeping position at least 4 times, I did lay still for the relax part, and then I didn't know if moving was ok or not, and it's a pain for me to find a good position so.. yeah. I hope you didn't lost faith in my capacity of being a Lucid Dreamer someday

[MisakaMikoto]

Hi, WILDing is not hard to be honest The hard part is findingsomething that will work and allow you to wild at ease I'd suggest you trying out other techniques than WILD maybe. DILD Techniques are quite easy as long as you are keen to put effort into them. You should read up DVA's Intro Class and find technique that would interest you maybe: http://www.dreamviews.com/intro-clas...sons-i-iv.html The whole idea or way WILDs work when you master them is amazing yet mastering them is hard as heck for most of us