Thread: Breaking illusions:Sleep paralysis [WILD help (method)]

Originally Posted by ollei

Adraw, I was just wondering exactly how important the visulizations are? I've been doing pretty much the same things that you have concluded here when I attempt to WILD, I also found that remembering tactile stuff helps me to distance myself from my body. All this is good and all but I haven't made any greater progress, I also know that I suck at visulizations. So my actual question is if this "scene" or "film" that I am to produce in my head needs clear imagery in order to build a dreamscene? And if so how do I improve me visulization skills?

Well thats a question .... . First of all. This topic should all be about the tactile stuff you mentioned. And about the visualizations? Well I guess we would need help in this. My latest observations signalize, that visualization is important on the beginning only, becouse later on it takes enormous anmount of energy. But to be honest. I cannot tell you exactly. Maybe SomethingElse could. He is far more experienced.

For me, I cannot reach further level, becouse i do my exercises at the evening. And this is probably the reason why my visualizations are not vivid and therefore hard to mantain. Whats your story? Whats your visualization process?

Originally Posted by adraw

Well thats a question .... . First of all. This topic should all be about the tactile stuff you mentioned. And about the visualizations? Well I guess we would need help in this. My latest observations signalize, that visualization is important on the beginning only, becouse later on it takes enormous anmount of energy. But to be honest. I cannot tell you exactly. Maybe SomethingElse could. He is far more experienced.

For me, I cannot reach further level, becouse i do my exercises at the evening. And this is probably the reason why my visualizations are not vivid and therefore hard to mantain. Whats your story? Whats your visualization process?

Well I haven't had much progress with visualizations either. But I feel that tactile sensations have often helped me visualize. That's why I was interested in this thread to begin with. I've gotten the impression that visualizations are very important to achieve WILD. Using some kind of tactile memory have helped me build up a dream scene. I've experienced some kind of synergistic effect, The tactile sensations enables me to visualize as I get an overall "feel" of the scene.

But being a crappy visualizer and all I was thinking that maybe the tactile sensations would do the jobs just as good as any visualization would. I've had several non lucid dreams in which I don't have any sense of sight, everything is black, but my tactile sensations are at an all time high.

The real question I guess is: can you build a dream scene out of tactile sensations only? Would this be enough?

Adraw I understand if you don't have the answers to my questions, maybe we just have to find out for ourself

Originally Posted by ollei

Well I haven't had much progress with visualizations either. But I feel that tactile sensations have often helped me visualize. That's why I was interested in this thread to begin with. I've gotten the impression that visualizations are very important to achieve WILD. Using some kind of tactile memory have helped me build up a dream scene. I've experienced some kind of synergistic effect, The tactile sensations enables me to visualize as I get an overall "feel" of the scene.

But being a crappy visualizer and all I was thinking that maybe the tactile sensations would do the jobs just as good as any visualization would. I've had several non lucid dreams in which I don't have any sense of sight, everything is black, but my tactile sensations are at an all time high.

The real question I guess is: can you build a dream scene out of tactile sensations only? Would this be enough?

Adraw I understand if you don't have the answers to my questions, maybe we just have to find out for ourself

For more information, please read this topic if you havent already done that:

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=61681

Shady gave hers own tricks and arby made a good point. Even if it is hard to understand, it shows, how visualization really works.
Let me take a quick summary from what i understood from this topic:

• It seems that stimulating one sense is not enough to create lifelike visualization
• It seems that movement adds life to visualizations

yeah there is much more information hidden within, but maybe this might open new horizonts also for you.

You sayd, you are creappy visualizer. Tell me about it. But as i am progressing further, it doesnt seem that the visualization process itself is crappy. But our ability to concentrate is not as good developed and needs practice.

I oft find myself within visualization, and deep within falling asleep, where i am conscious but am not able to change any aspect of what i percieve. I try to change the scene... it doesnt work. Sometimes i try to speak... it doesnt work. Then i blend with the dream and fall asleep. And the same goes with visualization itself. It seems my own wilpower is not clear enough to force the brain doing what i wish.

may i ask you a question? What happens, when you are starting to blend with the "scene" which you create. Arent you starting to lose yourself?

Thanx for responses.

Originally Posted by ollei

But being a crappy visualizer and all I was thinking that maybe the tactile sensations would do the jobs just as good as any visualization would. I've had several non lucid dreams in which I don't have any sense of sight, everything is black, but my tactile sensations are at an all time high.

The real question I guess is: can you build a dream scene out of tactile sensations only? Would this be enough?

Adraw I understand if you don't have the answers to my questions, maybe we just have to find out for ourself

I have become lucid from only tactile sensations. On more than one occasion I have literally walked my way from darkness into a vivid dream scene.

In fact some of my early WILDS were without any kind of visuals. Back then I was doing a lot of tactile imagination exercises and not a lot of visualizations as I wasn't as good at visualizations. (One person earlier in this thread mentioned using memories as a means to aid in tactile imagination exercises. I for one believe this is a useful technique as so much of what a person imaginations is really just a construction based off of past events in life. So working out a routine of touching things right before attempting to become lucid and then recalling those sensations and imagining them again while they are still fresh in one's mind is a useful exercise. I believe this helps to build a more stabilized dream body.)

A problem with sightless lucid dreams though is that they leave a person doubting whether it was a real lucid dream, especially for a person who isn't as experienced enough.