Thread: I just can't progress farther into WILDs...I need some help please.

Originally Posted by TAC

To answer some of the questions...
-I WBTB normally about 4 hours to 5 hours after going to bed.
-I take no supplements
-I relax by using the Reverse Blinking Technique, I find it makes me sleepy quickly.
-I attempt normally about 1-2 hours
-I used to try laying on my side, but now I try laying on my back.
-I maintain consciousness normally by using reverse blinking or picturing a scene or counting (I have no problem staying conscious, I almost never fall asleep, I get extremely relaxed and my body just doesn't seem to progress deep into SP.)


Normally I will...wake up...get out of bed...read over a page of "how to WILD" I printed up from this site, then go to the bathroom and go back to bed. I normally stay up about 10 min. doing this.

Why do you almost never fall asleep?

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Why do you almost never fall asleep?

I meant during WILD attempts. All I meant was that I normally am able to keep my thoughts in check, so I don't lose control and fall asleep. For the most part, I do not have a problem with staying focused.

Not being able to fall sleep can be the problem. I think you are keeping an unconscious resistance not to sleep completely so if WILD happens you'll be there to experience it. I was doing the same thing (and still do because during my attempts I got used to it).

Did you try keeping yourself a bit sleep deprived? I mean if you usually sleep 8 hours a day. Keep sleeping 6 hours for a few days. That can get you past overfocusing when you try WILDing.

I've only had successful WILDs when I let my mind wander a bit. I keep it on a leash and try not to let it wander forever but for me it's always been a little bit of luck. I happen to let my mind wander, I enter a dream before I've lost my awareness. I'm no expert but I've had a decent amount of WILDs just from WBTB without even trying a WILD. When I try to WILD it becomes very difficult for me.

Let the thoughts pass through your mind. Don't focus too much on a particular thought.

Sounds like you could be too awake......

How long is your WBTB time? - experiment with shortening it.

Dont turn on the lights - if you are reading or using the PC then stop - I prefer to stay in the dark.

Dont walk around too much or do too much activity.

I have best results with shorter WBTB times, staying dark and using the time to focus my will, use affirmations etc.

As one of the other posters said - try a little sleep deprivation also. I find I get most WILDs on Friday night / saturday morning. I work in downtown chicago during the week and have to get up very early. I probably only getting 4-5 hours sleep mid week - so by Friday night Im a wreck and can sleep in staurday morning. The only challenge I have in NOT ignoring my alarm and going back to sleep......

To keep yourself from wondering off to sleep, is it smart to focus on your breathing?