Thread: **CrazyInSane's WILD tutorial!!**

Lot's of talk about how people are listening to their alarm but nobody has yet said that it worked for them (besides CrazyInsane).
I've tried this 4 times, every time I get SP but no lucid after that.

For people who are on Macs, theres a nice application that you can use for the custom alarm. Its called Apimac Timer (http://www.apimac.com/timer) and its basically an alarm clock that rings once (or twice, or up to 5 times, check in options).

Im gonna try this method this morning. I set Apimac Timer to ring as "Purr" 4 times. That seems to be the best option. The purrs are about 1 sec apart and are a soft but distinctive sound. Should work fine.

Awesome guide, looking very much forward to trying this. I will prolly have no difficulties what so ever in not moving. Im a natural sleeper

Thumbs up, thanks for the great idea

So I tried to do this, I went to sleep at 10:30pm, and I set my alarm at 3am. I woke up and I kinda panicked and opened my eyes and sat up. But then I just laid down and went into Sleep Paralysis.

I did not recall ANY dreams today

I am happy to report a lucid dream induced by this technique



My tips, learned over the last 3 nights of trying this technique-

1) Use multiple times to set off the alarm. I had three times keyed in last night, and only the final alarm (4:30am) induced a lucid dream post-sleep-paralysis.

2) Familiarize yourself with the sound of your alarm.

I used this- "I will wake up, keep my eyes closed, lay still, and enter a lucid dream when I hear this sound" - and would then play the alarm noise I used.

3) Make sure you alarm is not too loud, or too obnoxious. I used the sound of a cat meowing to wake me up the first two nights, but every time I heard it I would think it was my cat and it'd wake me up way too much.



Unfortunately I got very excited and fell out of it extremely quickly, so I'm not counting it as an LD worthy of putting in my sig or adding to my official count. But I am a VERY new LDer so you'd expect my lucids to be fleeting in the first place.


Good luck!

Originally Posted by DpsBob

I am happy to report a lucid dream induced by this technique



My tips, learned over the last 3 nights of trying this technique-

1) Use multiple times to set off the alarm. I had three times keyed in last night, and only the final alarm (4:30am) induced a lucid dream post-sleep-paralysis.

2) Familiarize yourself with the sound of your alarm.

I used this- "I will wake up, keep my eyes closed, lay still, and enter a lucid dream when I hear this sound" - and would then play the alarm noise I used.

3) Make sure you alarm is not too loud, or too obnoxious. I used the sound of a cat meowing to wake me up the first two nights, but every time I heard it I would think it was my cat and it'd wake me up way too much.



Unfortunately I got very excited and fell out of it extremely quickly, so I'm not counting it as an LD worthy of putting in my sig or adding to my official count. But I am a VERY new LDer so you'd expect my lucids to be fleeting in the first place.


Good luck!

Congratulations, Dpsbob!! So happy to hear our first official success with this method! Hopefully this encourages others who are struggling to keep trying.

The tips you mention are excellent. It is definitely best not to have the alarm be too loud or obnoxious, usually that will instinctively make you wake up and move. It also definitely helps to set the alarm at multiple times through the night, though some alarm applications may not cover that feature. Are you using the Easy MP3 Alarm Clock?

Yessir I am!

Same mp3 file you hosted as well.

That program's great, to get multiple times all you have to do is run multiple instances of the clock, each set to its own time.

I'm sure you knew that already though

Originally Posted by Sora

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, All iPods except Shuffles have an alarm clock which don't need an actual speaker, not even earplug or anything. I'm not sure about the old Nano and iPod videos. Pretty useful.

Thanks. And lately my alarm has been going off during the time where I've just woken up out of a dream...need to strike lucky this time or get used to not moving after waking up.

Well i must say this is a freaking breakthrough. If i can try it on the first night, never ever attempted LD before, and i get it right, the first time lol. This method is so simple and works 100%. i used the mp3 alarm and your sound file and it woke me up, i didnt hear the sound when i woke up but i knew thats why i had awaken. i remembered not to move and not to let my mind wander. Seconds later i felt that tingly feeling you mentioned and the loud fade in of the noise (similar to the noise emitted when you turn a tv on except way louder). Many years i have been afraid of this noise, because it always seemed to come with sleep pyralysis (sp?) but found it to be very easy to manipulate and control that noise, i can make it come and go as i please at any time.


However i was stuck in the blackness, but fully aware, and i couldnt keep it stable so i had to quit.

Hey in the middle of the night last night I got a flu/soar throat and well when I woke up I was even thinking about why my alarm went off I was just thinking about me having a soar throat . Anyway im getting better so tonight I will give it a shot again.

I think a big part in this is not to get too excited or too rushed, because thats why i failed last night. The method i read in this thread put me farther than i could have imagined as far as being fully aware of a dream. Its crazy that you can actually trick your own mind. I am guessing that meditation and ways to get more relaxed would help a great deal with this. Even more so a very comfortable bed might help alot.

Hey, just created an account. I'm using my Nintendo DS as an alarm. (Not the built-in one, but a homebrew program with a modifiable alarm length.)

I've tried this for the past three nights. The first night and last night I jerked awake when the alarm sounded. (It was too similar to my regular alarm. I've since changed it.) But the second night I controlled myself and didn't move. I quickly fell into SP, but I'm still a newb, so I had no idea where to go from there, lol. I'm going to try again tonight, and I plan on setting it for multiple times like DpsBob suggested.

Originally Posted by alphabet55

But the second night I controlled myself and didn't move. I quickly fell into SP, but I'm still a newb, so I had no idea where to go from there, lol.

This is my problem aswell. This is where it is easy to get excited and lose focus, because you know that you are getting some progress.

What effect would opening your eyes do?

I always seem to not wake up enough before just drifting off again, how can I keep myself awake without moving?

Lastly, can this be possibly integrated with FILD?

Day #2, I tried it again, this time I used a quieter alarm than the first, it worked!

I set it to the first 5 seconds of "Mother Superior" by Coheed and Cambria, and it didn't suddenly wake me up, it just made my mind awake but my body was still in sleep paralysis
The bad thing was, the way my body was.... my right hand was tucked in behind my head and my left hand was somehow below my sweatpants. So it was pretty uncomfortable.

I still almost got to that tingly feeling, for some random reason, I visualized myself getting up and going to my closet and my head started spinning.

instead of using a loud heavy metal song that scares me so much, I made another thing in 5 mins.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ownmzkozjy2

plz tell me if this is, i dunno, efective?

I have had all sorts of technichal problems all week, but i'm not giving up.
However i do not think i will try during the weekend, since i wake up at all sorts of random times in the weekends, so it would be hard to judge when to set the alarm.

Originally Posted by CrazyInSane

...So, I'm not sure where the science comes from on this site, but it seems pretty legit. It's at least something to back up my main thesis in this technique.

Here is something I posted a few years back on the subject, and yes there is a science behind why this technique would work.

Some more info on sleep paralysis is found here .

Basically this is how it works:
Sleeping for a few hours first does a few different things. First, it clears your mind of distracting thoughts/stresses of the previous day (those thoughts can keep from staying lucid while your body falls back to sleep). It also pre-relaxes the body to such an extent that it can normally fall back asleep very quickly and easily.

In addition, it takes time for your body to get to the point where it can dream from an awake state. Waking up in the middle of the night interrupts your sleep cycle, which is line "cutting in line" when it comes to dreaming. Your sleep cycles is composed of 4 stages, with REM being that last. By interrupting this sleep cycle somewhere in the middle (using an alarm in this case), when you go back to sleep, your body will naturally "speed" through the first few stages in order to resume where it left off.

By lying completely still after interrupting your sleep cycle, you are "tricking" your body into thinking you are mentally ready to enter sleep paralysis. I say "tricking" because your body can create sensations of uncomfortableness to see if you are cognitively aware enough to respond. If you do respond by moving, itching yourself, etc... that tells your body that you are too mentally "awake" for the body to succumb to sleep paralysis, and it will delay the process.


What this all translates to is quick sleep paralysis, which normally means quick LDs

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The only problem I see with this technique is also one of its benefits. The benefit is that you can do all of the above without having to move, or in otherwords, without having to let your body know that you are mentally lucid. That is a good thing.

However, I have doubts about just how lucid someone can become from just a few seconds of stimulation before going back to bed. As anyone who has seriously tried any variation of WBTB, if you do not wake yourself up enough mentally before going back to sleep, you are likely to fall back into an unconscious sleep.

Chain-LDing and Rhythmic Napping are a little different because, even though you are not fully waking yourself before going back to sleep, you are usually conscious or lucid enough to keep from slipping back into a non-lucid dream. For chain-LDing, this is true because you were already lucid in the previous dreams. For rhythmic napping, this is true because you are brought back to consciousness repeatedly enough to keep a residual lucidity throughout the process of wbtb-wbtb-wbtb...

Nevertheless, this technique does take advantage of the body's natural tendencies to assist in lucid dreaming (as opposed to struggling against body's natural tendencies as many techniques would have you do). Download this timer, as it not only takes advantage of waking oneself up without having to move, it also can be customized to go off more than once a night (and at different intervals to best interrupt sleep cycles). It's from http://www.saltcube.com/ ,and will work wonders for most people.

Originally Posted by ethen

The only problem I see with this technique is also one of its benefits. The benefit is that you can do all of the above without having to move, or in otherwords, without having to let your body know that you are mentally lucid. That is a good thing.

However, I have doubts about just how lucid someone can become from just a few seconds of stimulation before going back to bed. As anyone who has seriously tried any variation of WBTB, if you do not wake yourself up enough mentally before going back to sleep, you are likely to fall back into an unconscious sleep.

Yes, unfortunately I no longer am able to edit my main original post (probably because I've edited it too many times), but I was going to add a small note about how you should still try a regular WBTB every once and a while, because WBTB has one major benefit over CANWILD: you will be more consciously awake. I, personally, usually mix up CANWILD and WBTB every other night. If I try for a CANWILD and fail, I get up and try for the full WBTB.

Simply put: WBTB WILDs are more likely to start off immediately vivid and you are likely to be more aware/awake than with CANWILDs. WBTB WILDs are basically OBEs.

Hey, good news. I found an alarm that will work on any cell phone that has Java, and you can control how long it goes off (even down to a single beep!). Plus it's completely free. Click here to get to the website. From there, click "free download", then you can select the specific model of cell phone you have, or you can select "Generic-AnyPhone" if you do not find your specific phone or if you do not know what your model number is.

Plus, it has a built in function to where it will randomly do reality check reminders for you!

Originally Posted by CrazyInSane

I, personally, usually mix up CANWILD and WBTB every other night. If I try for a CANWILD and fail, I get up and try for the full WBTB.

This is what i have been doing as well. If the alarm dosent work the way it should (Wich has been every night so far ._. But i have it figuret out now.)
i just get up for a couple of minutes and try a regular WILD.

Originally Posted by ethen

Hey, good news. I found an alarm that will work on any cell phone that has Java, and you can control how long it goes off (even down to a single beep!). Plus it's completely free. Click here to get to the website. From there, click "free download", then you can select the specific model of cell phone you have, or you can select "Generic-AnyPhone" if you do not find your specific phone or if you do not know what your model number is.

Plus, it has a built in function to where it will randomly do reality check reminders for you!

Wow cool, thanks, I'll check this out. Hope it works with my slightly older phone.

I'm afraid I tried last night,
But the alarm didnt work for me.

The times are mixed up.
I can't select whether or not I want it during the am, or pm.
It automatically goes to pm.

I realized this when I woke up at 4am, and checked my laptop to see why it didnt go off.

The alarm was like, 12 hours late. Which was way too late. I tried changing it on the spot, but there was no am or pm button.
I don't know if it has anything to my timezone, which is GMT - 5:00 Eastern.

Any help would be appreciated, becaue i'm sure this method would work for me.

Originally Posted by hardc0re

I'm afraid I tried last night,
But the alarm didnt work for me.

The times are mixed up.
I can't select whether or not I want it during the am, or pm.
It automatically goes to pm.

I realized this when I woke up at 4am, and checked my laptop to see why it didnt go off.

The alarm was like, 12 hours late. Which was way too late. I tried changing it on the spot, but there was no am or pm button.
I don't know if it has anything to my timezone, which is GMT - 5:00 Eastern.

Any help would be appreciated, becaue i'm sure this method would work for me.

Yeah there's an annoying bit with that alarm. It doesn't indicate AM or PM until you click "Set Alarm"... then under the time/date indicator it will read either "Alarm set to 04:00" or "Alarm set to 16:00", which is the 24-hour clock indicator for 4:00 PM. Try it again and make sure it says "04:00" not "16:00" once you set the alarm. There's no way of knowing for sure which one it's at until you click "Set Alarm". And no, it has nothing to do with your timezone, it goes by your PC's clock.

Let me know if you experience any other problems! Good luck.

Originally Posted by CrazyInSane

Yeah there's an annoying bit with that alarm. It doesn't indicate AM or PM until you click "Set Alarm"... then under the time/date indicator it will read either "Alarm set to 04:00" or "Alarm set to 16:00", which is the 24-hour clock indicator for 4:00 PM. Try it again and make sure it says "04:00" not "16:00" once you set the alarm. There's no way of knowing for sure which one it's at until you click "Set Alarm". And no, it has nothing to do with your timezone, it goes by your PC's clock.

Let me know if you experience any other problems! Good luck.

How would I try it again?
Go backwards on the hours until it shows the am time, as opposed to pm?


I just tried it with 11:50.
At first it said 23:50,
So I went back on the hours, until I got to 11 again, and I pressed set alarm and this time it set it to the correct time.

This sucks, because I was so excited to try out this method.