Thread: **CrazyInSane's WILD tutorial!!**

Hey friends,
So for anyone working at this technique I have made a custom Mp3 for it. It is iPod friendly if you have any of those apps or you could use it on your computer mac or pc.

heres whats on the track, it starts out fading in to the alarm (railroad alarm) it plays for a total of eight seconds and then fades out, then it plays silently for the rest of the time *about 70 minutes. This is so you can implement it on iPhone apps without having to use one that has auto stop. Personally i think the fading will be beneficial for this technique but i think there is personal touch involved in how loud you set your device to play it.
Here is a multiupload link, I am sorry that the file is some 60 odd mbs its only because the track lasts about 70 minutes. I did this somewhat quickly and it takes a long time to compile but in the near future i think i will make one that lasts 90 minutes(avg length of a dream cycle) so maybe you could put it on repeat and try it multiple times a night? just a thought

http://www.multiupload.com/P0JLO4RD58

Cheers,
Dave

EDIT: i recommend using the direct download from multiupload, no wait time and right now im getting 500kbps so it only takes ~2 mins to download.

Hello everyone, I'm new here, and I wonder if any of you (if not CrazyInSane himself) could help me: last night I used this can-wild (I use the "multipe countdown" of my cell phone with low volume, it's just perfect) and I managed to stay almost still, I just moved a leg which was on top pf the other.
Anyway, I started to WILD by counting and repeating "I'm dreaming", and I suddenly found myself feeling a weird sensation to my arms and upper chest (I had already experienced something similar, but never so intense, it was almost annoying, and I think it was sleep paralysis).
I also heard a buzzing sound in my ears, it reminded me of binaural sounds, and it should have been tinnitus.
By the way, I realized I was on the verge of a LD, but I was unable to enter it: first I tried to "roll over"(it means imagining to get up and do something, doesn't it?) and then I went on with the counting, but it didn't work and the tinnitus faded, along with my feeling of being near a LD. Therefore I more or less gave up.
I later had my first LD in 3 weeks (thank you VERY much CrazyInSane!), so something must have worked indeed, but what I'd really like to know is: what should I do to actually enter a dream after using this technique?
I hope I didn't bore you too much with this poem of mine, but I just wanted to be exhaustive
Please answer soon, I'm really looking forward to it!

Originally Posted by SithLord

Hello everyone, I'm new here, and I wonder if any of you (if not CrazyInSane himself) could help me: last night I used this can-wild (I use the "multipe countdown" of my cell phone with low volume, it's just perfect) and I managed to stay almost still, I just moved a leg which was on top pf the other.
Anyway, I started to WILD by counting and repeating "I'm dreaming", and I suddenly found myself feeling a weird sensation to my arms and upper chest (I had already experienced something similar, but never so intense, it was almost annoying, and I think it was sleep paralysis).
I also heard a buzzing sound in my ears, it reminded me of binaural sounds, and it should have been tinnitus.
By the way, I realized I was on the verge of a LD, but I was unable to enter it: first I tried to "roll over"(it means imagining to get up and do something, doesn't it?) and then I went on with the counting, but it didn't work and the tinnitus faded, along with my feeling of being near a LD. Therefore I more or less gave up.
I later had my first LD in 3 weeks (thank you VERY much CrazyInSane!), so something must have worked indeed, but what I'd really like to know is: what should I do to actually enter a dream after using this technique?
I hope I didn't bore you too much with this poem of mine, but I just wanted to be exhaustive
Please answer soon, I'm really looking forward to it!

Well, I can attest that for me to enter a dream, granted I've only done it once, I have to get involved in the images in front of me, usually a scene I've constructed in the hopes of turning into a dream. What you'll probably want to try is to visualize a scene in your head, (I recommend watching the course of events in third person) then keep running through it in your head until your mind lets you enter into it. It's another willpower thing for me - if you want into the dream and just keep that going in your mind, you'll become a part of the visualization you have, which then becomes a dream that you're inside of.

I wouldn't recommend trying to roll out. This may cause you to move your physical body which may have messed up your paralysis. You should just to be able to visual a scene and enter into it that way. If you really want to stay in your room and do a regular obe, then try using a teleporting method or do a cork screw exit where you imagine weight pushing your dream body out of your physical. This prevents you from having to make physical movements before you know you are totally nonphysically focused.

Originally Posted by kingofhypocrites

I wouldn't recommend trying to roll out. This may cause you to move your physical body which may have messed up your paralysis. You should just to be able to visual a scene and enter into it that way. If you really want to stay in your room and do a regular obe, then try using a teleporting method or do a cork screw exit where you imagine weight pushing your dream body out of your physical. This prevents you from having to make physical movements before you know you are totally nonphysically focused.

I tried this technique last night and had many a dream. NO lucid dreams YET but I am yet to achieve lucidity. (besides my past LD that I wasn't aware of)

I use the saltcube timer and set it at 270-40-40-40-ect... I woke up probably 5-7 times that I remember. My first night was last night and I dreamed that it wasn't loud enough to wake me up and that it was a trial version... my Sub-c was pissed that it was so loud probably becuase 1 time during the night I actually plugged my ears it felt so loud!

Anyways, thanks for creating this, i've recalled 5 dreams last night, probably due to the advice here.




EDIT: Did another WBTB after replying to 3 threads and doing shit to my window to block some light out for a good 30 minutes. So I tried to go into SP but only felt a really cool tingling/fuzzy feeling everywhere in my body. Got uncomfortable and told myself to just go to sleep and remember my dreams. Bam, 2 more dreams! I really really like this technique.

My frist night and i'm having really good results.

Total dreams recalled from last night using saltcube timer: 7!

That's a new record for me!

Using such long intervals defeats the purpose of the salt cube timer. The idea is to do short intervals that are random. This prevents you from falling too deeply asleep and by them being random tricks your mind into becoming conscious during one of the longer intervals. Also waking up during non-rem periods won't do you much good, which is what will happen if you do a bunch of 40 minute intervals. The idea is to start the timer ramp on the longest rem cycle.

Originally Posted by kingofhypocrites

Using such long intervals defeats the purpose of the salt cube timer. The idea is to do short intervals that are random. This prevents you from falling too deeply asleep and by them being random tricks your mind into becoming conscious during one of the longer intervals. Also waking up during non-rem periods won't do you much good, which is what will happen if you do a bunch of 40 minute intervals. The idea is to start the timer ramp on the longest rem cycle.

Thank you, I didn't even think about this but it makes a lot of sense. I'm going to chang ethe patternt tonight and make it so it's shorter. I kind of used this like a WBTB technique but w/o getting up.

Either way, 7 dreams is good for me but I will try it with different random times. That really does make sense, maybe it will remind me to actually wake up in my dream. Thank you hypocrite.

Here are the recommended intervals:
8, 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 20, 6, 6, 6
or
10, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 25, 7.5, 7.5, 7.5
or
12, 6, 12, 18, 24, 30, 30, 9, 9, 9

Pick one based on how quickly you can fall back asleep and whether or not you wake up successfully on each beep. You'll want to start the timer after 5-6 hours of sleep. Don't move, think, or do anything at all when the timer goes off except go right back to sleep. If you wake up in sleep paralysis, then go ahead and do a OBE if you want, otherwise do some visualization and induce a lucid. You should have spontaneous lucids on the longer intervals as well, which is the reason for the random intervals (to trick your mind). I personally think the timer only works well for people who sleep really well and can fall asleep quickly consistently. If you're that type of person, than this is probably the easiest way for you to succeed.

Originally Posted by kingofhypocrites

Here are the recommended intervals:
8, 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 20, 6, 6, 6
or
10, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 25, 7.5, 7.5, 7.5
or
12, 6, 12, 18, 24, 30, 30, 9, 9, 9

Pick one based on how quickly you can fall back asleep and whether or not you wake up successfully on each beep. You'll want to start the timer after 5-6 hours of sleep. Don't move, think, or do anything at all when the timer goes off except go right back to sleep. If you wake up in sleep paralysis, then go ahead and do a OBE if you want, otherwise do some visualization and induce a lucid. You should have spontaneous lucids on the longer intervals as well, which is the reason for the random intervals (to trick your mind). I personally think the timer only works well for people who sleep really well and can fall asleep quickly consistently. If you're that type of person, than this is probably the easiest way for you to succeed.

Thank you for your words of wisdom.

I feel I kind of know how often I can go to sleep when i'm "woken up" by alarms/sounds. I will add some minutes onto some of the longer periods so I can get to sleep w/o it beeping at me.

I will have an update tomorrow.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by kingofhypocrites

Here are the recommended intervals:
8, 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 20, 6, 6, 6
or
10, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 25, 7.5, 7.5, 7.5
or
12, 6, 12, 18, 24, 30, 30, 9, 9, 9

Pick one based on how quickly you can fall back asleep and whether or not you wake up successfully on each beep. You'll want to start the timer after 5-6 hours of sleep. Don't move, think, or do anything at all when the timer goes off except go right back to sleep. If you wake up in sleep paralysis, then go ahead and do a OBE if you want, otherwise do some visualization and induce a lucid. You should have spontaneous lucids on the longer intervals as well, which is the reason for the random intervals (to trick your mind). I personally think the timer only works well for people who sleep really well and can fall asleep quickly consistently. If you're that type of person, than this is probably the easiest way for you to succeed.

Hello,

I use the default 4 minute ramp settings with a 30 minute delay as the first setting to give me time to fall back to sleep but I'm always still awake when the first alarm goes after 30 mins. So I start all over again and I sometimes fall asleep within the half hour gap at the beginning. But I have it set at a very high volume and I only recall about 3 or four alarm calls. Would you suggest a 3 or a 5 minute interval please? P.S. I have had one LD using this timer

Thank you all for your replies!
I dunno if this has anything to do with my problem, but when I get into that sort-of-SP I don't see any hypnagogic images, just darkness.
However, tonight I tried your method out, and I think it might work for me, but then I have a problem: the things I imagine don't seem to be real, I can still feel my body and it's just like watching a movie, so, could you please give me more details?
Just imagine doing it and report to me what you do/feel/think/etc. (hope not to be annoying, but I got the feeling I'm very close to my goal, and this makes me SO anxious..)

I have finished reading the book by Michael Raduga on what to do when one wakes up to have a LD. There are plenty of techniques, including the tinnitus one that crazyinsane uses. It is a great instruction manual and guidebook on how to have success quickly. It can be downloaded free from http://books.obe4u.com/

I have this same problem. It sounds like your timer is not starting inside your REM cycle. This is probably why you sleep through a lot of the beeps. I also strongly feel this technique does not work well unless you can fall asleep quickly consistently. Make sure you start the timer after 4-6 hours and keep testing until you find that sweet spot in your last rem cycle. 2 hours is a big window so it takes a lot of experimentation. But once you find it and assuming you fall asleep normally, this should allow you to wake up since you won't be in deep sleep (and correctly in a rem phrase). Also if you sleep too long it can be harder to fall asleep, which is another reason this works better for good sleepers. I have tinnitus so I've been tempted to try your tinnitus technique. All texts on tinnitus say not to focus on it so it or it will make it worse, so I have been afraid. When I say I have tinnitus, I mean 24/7 and loud.

Originally Posted by kingofhypocrites

I have this same problem. It sounds like your timer is not starting inside your REM cycle. This is probably why you sleep through a lot of the beeps. I also strongly feel this technique does not work well unless you can fall asleep quickly consistently. Make sure you start the timer after 4-6 hours and keep testing until you find that sweet spot in your last rem cycle. 2 hours is a big window so it takes a lot of experimentation. But once you find it and assuming you fall asleep normally, this should allow you to wake up since you won't be in deep sleep (and correctly in a rem phrase). Also if you sleep too long it can be harder to fall asleep, which is another reason this works better for good sleepers. I have tinnitus so I've been tempted to try your tinnitus technique. All texts on tinnitus say not to focus on it so it or it will make it worse, so I have been afraid. When I say I have tinnitus, I mean 24/7 and loud.

Thanks for the tips. Im going to give up the timer for a few days and follow the books advice in my last post as I won't have the problems with the timer. Instead of the tinnitus method try the visuals or 'phantom wiggling' technique instead in the above described book.

How do I prevent my computer to going in to "sleep mode"?

Originally Posted by drgreat

How do I prevent my computer to going in to "sleep mode"?

Change your power save settings to never turn off your monitor or harddisk.

If I try this and successfully stay in SP state, does this increase my general chance of SP after waking up?
Other than that, great GREAT method!!
It's genius!! Because I really don't want to spend 25 minutes lying still and also would never be able to do so!

u got a samsung phone?
I've discovered that my samsung S5230 (and similar phones with same OS such as omnia etc. or maybe even all Samsung phones..) does repeat the sound, but automatically stops the alarm after +- 1 min. Therefore I've made an alarm for Samsung phone users, which first has 5 seconds of silence (because samsung tends to do a fade in) then plays a calm piano tune (made by myself ) for about 4 seconds, and then a silence of 90 seconds
DOWNLOAD HERE
I'm going to use it tomorrow morning

Excellent technique. Sort of an intentional DEILD. I set my alarm at first 4,5 h into sleep and then 6h into sleep, both in REM. Though I have a couple of questions:

Tonight, as I tried, I felt as though I was too awake, and almost ready to get up, but my body was really numb, almost paralyzed. What does it really mean that "your body falls asleep". Does it not matter that you're completely alert in your mind? I tried to move a body part and it was really hard, almost impossible, but I managed and it was numb and buzzy as f*ck. Was I close?

I usually get a lot of sleep, as I have a late schedule, so I'm not really tired by 6h into sleep, is that a problem?

Wow! I've been trying this wild for 5 days now and finally last night I got the closest I've ever been to an obe. My problem was with the alarm. I don't want my wife to wake up so I found an app for the iPhone (routine timer, $3) and finally fine tuned it to work great! U can set it to vibrate and to vibrate for as long as u need. Bought a jogging arm band for iPhone and strapped it to my ankle....problem solved. Wife doesn't wake up but I do. This app is well worth $3, since it is extremely customizable. So last night I set it to wake me at 6hrs and 7 hrs. The first alarm woke me, stayed still, heavy sinking feeling set in really quick and then vibrations came on very subtle and then got really strong. Tried to relax past vibrations but don't remember what happened after that. Also, while in vibrations, I heard lots of voices and rationalized them as a party going on next door ( at 2 am..?). I know now that they were the "voices of the universe" as they are often called by famous obers. I am sticking to this method because it fits best with my schedule and it finally gave me results!! Will post more as they come.

I set my alarm to do this last night. It was working well because it went of after I woke up at 7. I do not remember waking up, but I did have one of the most vivid lucid dreams I have ever had last night. Do you think I went into SP with out me remembering it.

Oh gee. Great tutorial... but scrolling sideways every few seconds kinda drove me insane.

I agree Puppycat, I couldn't even get through it. Hopefully Crazyinsane will remove the banner text at the top of his tutorial to make it more readable. Jeeze.

Someone reply!

Originally Posted by PuppyCat

Oh gee. Great tutorial... but scrolling sideways every few seconds kinda drove me insane.

Sorry about that, when I had written the tutorial originally (I have a 17" monitor), I had failed to take into account people who might have smaller monitors or screen resolutions.

By the time this was first brought to my attention (a few months ago) I was no longer able to edit the post, apparently because it has been edited the maximum amount of times. I'm trying to contact an administrator now to have this edited.

By the way, thanks to everyone for the positive feedback and replies! I will try to answer some of your questions in a little bit... I have been busy with life recently! Thanks again for the compliments.