Thread: Why You Fail at WILDs

I have a question for you Mzzkc,

You are saying that falling asleep is the most important step of a WILD, which I like because up till now I haven't actually read anything that places the due importance on actually falling asleep. Anyways I tend to be an "energetic sleeper" as I like to call it. Which means that my routine of falling asleep usually consists of much scratching, rolling, changing of positions, re-situating of blankets etc. and overall a lot of movement. Now for most of my WILD attempts I have stuck to the rigorous guideline of no-movement whatsoever. I have attempted WILD's both on my back and side, my side being my normal sleeping position. But I have never moved, this often results in me thinking about how much I would like to itch that itch in that spot, and that other spot, and that third spot, or me thinking of how nice it would be to move my hand out from under the much-to-hot blanket and into the relieving cool air of on top of my belly.
Anyways you said; I quote:

don't do anything you wouldn't normally do to help yourself fall asleep

Does this mean that it is okay for me to partake in my normal falling asleep routine and still be able to WILD?
or am I doomed to be mocked by unyielding itches on my face and other such places if I am to ever be a successful WILD'er?

Originally Posted by StareHed

I have a question for you Mzzkc,

You are saying that falling asleep is the most important step of a WILD, which I like because up till now I haven't actually read anything that places the due importance on actually falling asleep. Anyways I tend to be an "energetic sleeper" as I like to call it. Which means that my routine of falling asleep usually consists of much scratching, rolling, changing of positions, re-situating of blankets etc. and overall a lot of movement. Now for most of my WILD attempts I have stuck to the rigorous guideline of no-movement whatsoever. I have attempted WILD's both on my back and side, my side being my normal sleeping position. But I have never moved, this often results in me thinking about how much I would like to itch that itch in that spot, and that other spot, and that third spot, or me thinking of how nice it would be to move my hand out from under the much-to-hot blanket and into the relieving cool air of on top of my belly.

Does this mean that it is okay for me to partake in my normal falling asleep routine and still be able to WILD?
or am I doomed to be mocked by unyielding itches on my face and other such places if I am to ever be a successful WILD'er?

I am of the opinion you can move as much as you want to during an attempt in order to get comfortable. That's not the usual consensus, but I see comfort as a priority during attempts. Yes, it's probably not the best idea to move about constantly, but if you need to move around before you can fall asleep, feel free.

One thing I know for sure: scratching an itch is fine and only sets you back as much as you let it. The important thing is you don't focus on it. Scratch it and be done with it.

I look forward to seeing what new results this more relaxed approach can generate, I appreciate it Mzzkc.

I have designed an Isochronic tone sequence specifically for use with WILD. This track is 20 minutes long, and takes you down to 6 Hz pretty quick. It stays there for the entire time so that you can relax and get comfortable and prepare for Transition. At 19:11 into the track, a trigger goes off. This is to pull you back from going totally to sleep, and hopefully will induce your LD. The track then fades to silence.

You should download two files. One is the actual file. This is what you listen to. The other is the trigger file, which is the sound you will hear at 19:11.

Follow these instructions:

Download these files:

1. WBTB WILD with trigger.mp3
2. WBTB WILD trigger sound.mp3

Prior to going to bed, or as often as possible, listen to the trigger sound, and say to yourself, "When I hear this sound, I will do a Reality Check". Do this as much as you can to prep yourself. The more you do this, the more effective this technique will be.

1. After a WBTB, when you go back to bed, put on the headphones or earbuds (it might work with just loudspeakers because they are Isochronic, not Binaural). You should already be pretty tired, and able to fall in asleep in the next 20 minutes.
2. Listen to "WBTB MILD with trigger.mp3", and concentrate on the whooshing sound while clearing your mind. Then, let your thoughts take you where they may, keeping in mind that you will hear the chimes. Don't concentrate or anticipate this, or it will NOT work. Just let your mind wander, keeping focus on nothing in particular
3. At 19:11, you will hopefully be drifting off to sleep. You will hear wind chimes. This is your trigger.
4. Do a RC immediately. Do it slowly, so as not to break the dream. Check your hands is the most effective. If you fail, try again from step one.

P.S.: If anyone who tries it wants some of the parameters changed, let me know, and I'll personalize it for you. Attached is the beat frequency vs time. I picked 19:11 randomly looking at the graph, and guessing how long it takes after a WBTB, how long it takes to fall back asleep.

Good Luck!

Originally Posted by goldenaxel321

Ok. If I may, I will recap.

1.- I set my alarm 6 hours after I sleep.
2.- I sleep like I normally would, without wild in mind.
3.- I wake up due to alarm. Shut it off, go back to sleep while staying conscious (I will use counting as an anchor).
4.- I LD.

Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. I'm new to this, and I think wild is a good method to start out with.

I will try this method tonight and post results. Assuming I have it right, of course.

Best wishes. Goldenaxel321

Remember, this is an idea, not a method. Creating a decent method is up to you, I'm just providing you with knowledge to help you do so.

Still, the only thing you have listed there that I wouldn't personally recommend is counting. I've never been a fan of it, since it sometimes serves to be counterproductive if you do it incorrectly.

Good luck.

Originally Posted by TheOneirologist

From what I've heard, you should go to the bathroom or something after the alarm goes off. I don't think you're supposed to go back to bed immediately after the alarm goes off. I may have just misunderstood, though.

WBTBs can be as long or short as you want. From a few seconds to an hour or two, whatever helps you get into the right mindset is ideal.

Originally Posted by ZoeSeeker

Stuff.

That's not WILD material. It's closer to an EILD.

Either way, it does not belong on this thread. I suggest asking to have it moved to its own thread so that it can be viewed and discussed properly. If you have any comments/objections to what I've said, please PM me; I'd really prefer to keep this thread as clean as possible.

Well, I can't stop songs running through my head... And I think I've nearly WILDed before, but didn't know it. Why, you may ask? Well, I'd open my eyes and there would be portals to other freaking worlds staring back at me... or branching darkness reaching out to me... or HUGE ass spiders jumping at me.

But I'll start trying harder to resist my previous actions... which consisted of leaping out of bed.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

Is there any difference between the position you normally sleep in and the one you WILD in?

I find that it's nearly impossible for me to make it past that final stage unless I'm oriented in my typical sleeping position.

Also, I would suggest trying to "give in" to what's happening. Deferring your control of the situation to your body might be just what you need. It's hard to explain it in sufficiently understandable terms, but it's similar to the mindset of giving up on an attempt and simply letting yourself fall asleep.

Hope that helped.

This is what I was doing wrong. I'd lie on my back, feet apart, hands at my side. I could make it to Sleep Paralysis pretty fast, got some hypnogogic hallucinations, but then I'd either lose it are fall to sleep.

Other than this change, how do I fall asleep while maintaining that I am falling asleep. The process seems a lot like circular breathing in that I am actually breathing through my nose, while my cheek muscles push air out of my inflated mouth to maintain a constant air flow while I breathe. So in essence, I need to make the awareness second nature, while I focus on sleep, but I am unsure how to do this.

Thanks!

Mzzc. There are two posting members here who I think are totally awesome. These postsare amazing because they show you obvius things you already know. I have seen this only once before, and there the post was drowned in thanks as well. Way to go.

I have never had a Wild before so this is how far I got last night using some of this advice. I go to bed and I try to make my mind go blank focus on breathing sometimes ill have random thoughts and then go back to focusing on just trying to fall asleep. After laying down in my bed for some time 30 plus mins I fell as if my body is going to sleep a little bit but I know if I wanted I could move it. Like some people say you get a strong urge to roll over but I never feel any physical urges. After speeding even more time laying down I feel as if my minds focus has shifted slightly. It is not a sudden shift but I notice my focus being slightly different. After I am in this different focus I do not know what to do I seem very alert mentally but I am slightly mentally uncomfortable im not really sure on how to explain this feeling. The best I can do is I feel trapped in my mind and unable to fall asleep at all, but I know if I move i will disrupt this process. It is very annoying and I end up moving so I can go to sleep and am afraid if I don't move I will spend the whole night awake.

Hmm, nice guide. I've never been much of a WILD man, but I'll give it a try.