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Ah... I feel like summer is ruining me. Seems as though everything I've done so far was a waste since I got so out of the loop. Haven't done RRCs in forever.
But I want to try a serious WILD some time this week if I can get to sleep at a reasonable time. It's already way too late tonight.
It's never too late to get back at it, Taffy! Just to improve your chances, it might be a good idea to get in a good week of mental prep (mostly RRC's, and maybe some thoughts about intentions and mantras) before diving back in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
... Just a thought! :)
Yeah I know, it's like summer made my sleep cycles all out of whack. Now I never wake up at a reasonable time naturally much :/
Guess I gotta set my alarm again lol. Maybe some autosuggestion.
We can do this! :D
I had a spontaneous DEILD last night which broke the dry spell that's been hanging round since I finished my exams and complete the basic task of the month:
I have a nightmare that I don't recall but become aware as I am waking up. I'm still in a dream when I decide to DEILD by 'rolling out of bed'. Much to my surprise when I roll I don't fall straight to my dream bedroom floor as usual but simply keep rolling in a dimensionless void, a spinning point of awareness hanging in nothingness. I keep rolling like this with a vague sense of fast lateral motion, as if I'm spinning very quickly clockwise and moving to the right. After what feels like a few minutes I suddenly land in my living room. It seems like it's the early hours of the morning, everything seems very dim. I'm about to rush off when I realise that I really do need to stabilise, gaze at my hands, which seem red and shiny as if they'd been scalded, after a while of this, the scene starts to feel as real as waking life, with the characteristic 'thereness' of increased lucidity, I can feel my feet on the floor and my whole body seems to have a weight .
I go through to the kitchen, my Mum and Dad are there, at this point I remember the task of the month and ask my Dad 'where the magic potion is', he doesn't seem to know what I'm talking about so I ask again and he tells me it's on the top shelf of the fridge. I open the fridge expecting the potion to be there, I find a red squeezy bottle like ketchup at roadside cafes. I drink it and it tastes like sweet chilli sauce. I go out onto the street to test it's effects, as I'm walking I'm ambushed by ninjas bearing a red dragon motif, I gather from some kind of awareness of the dream plot that I've stolen the secret source (sauce? :P) of their power. A battle ensues in which I discover the potion has given me red energy, shockwave attacks. I finish off the attackers by jumping high into the air and slamming back down with a huge blast of energy. The dream goes blurry and I decide to wake and record the dream.
I don't know quite what to make of the DEILD transition, but that's the most fun I've had in a lucid dream so far, and my first TotM. :)
^^ Very cool experience, Ctharlhie, thanks for sharing.
Want to know what I make of your DEILD transition, based on my own experiences in "the void?" Well, I'll tell you anyway:
Keep in mind that this is all just conjecture because I wasn't there, but that moment of spinning through nothingness may have been moment of very high awareness that settled into a lower-level lucid beginning in your living room. When you "rolled out of bed," you took with you only your awareness, having (probably rightfully) left the last dream behind, and having no new dream into which to roll.
Now here's the catch: though you had expectation of landing in your bedroom floor, your level of lucidity may have transcended that mundane event. That spinning you felt could well have been your mind spooling up its new dream (you cannot, after all, sense spin in a true void, so something "external" must have going on). I have a feeling that, had you fully understood that that spinning was not actually spinning, and sought to "hold still," sans body as you were, you may have had an outstanding moment of pristine awareness! It also explains that heightened "thereness" when you finally found yourself in your living room, though, ironically, the awareness that produces "thereness" was probably slightly reduced, as you now required a familiar setting and personal form to remain comfortable in -- yes, I'm saying it -- your own skin.
So next time you're in this situation (if it happened once it will surely happen again), try to hold still when the spinning starts, and take a moment to feel yourself as part of the nothingness, all the while knowing that the nothingness is just another facet of your Self. Trust me, it'll be exhilarating.
As an aside, I have a question: Did you feel that, after the DEILD transition, doing the task of the month was fairly easy to do? Also, (you don't need to answer, but be sure to ask yourself) did you wonder about the red power you had in that ninja battle, where it truly may have been sauced -- s'cuse me: sourced? Seems there's something to think about there, and it relates right back to the DEILD transition.
Nice work, Ctharlhie!
Sadly I had quite poor recall (I had a hypnagogic dreamlet about writing the dream in my journal and had to recall as best I could in the morning) which makes it difficult to remember my exact feelings while I was spinning in the void, I did not feel like I was in control to focus my experience there, there was definitely the feeling of being guided, maybe if I'd grabbed onto enough of my sense of self at that point I may have been able to transcend concepts of dimensionality and self experienced the void of awareness that we keep seeming to return to in our conversations. :)Quote:
Keep in mind that this is all just conjecture because I wasn't there, but that moment of spinning through nothingness may have been moment of very high awareness that settled into a lower-level lucid beginning in your living room. When you "rolled out of bed," you took with you only your awareness, having (probably rightfully) left the last dream behind, and having no new dream into which to roll.
Now here's the catch: though you had expectation of landing in your bedroom floor, your level of lucidity may have transcended that mundane event. That spinning you felt could well have been your mind spooling up its new dream (you cannot, after all, sense spin in a true void, so something "external" must have going on). I have a feeling that, had you fully understood that that spinning was not actually spinning, and sought to "hold still," sans body as you were, you may have had an outstanding moment of pristine awareness! It also explains that heightened "thereness" when you finally found yourself in your living room, though, ironically, the awareness that produces "thereness" was probably slightly reduced, as you now required a familiar setting and personal form to remain comfortable in -- yes, I'm saying it -- your own skin.
It's interesting that you draw particular attention to the 'thereness' proportional to the mundanity of the scene. I've started to wonder whether being stunned at the apparent realism of the dream may limit the potential level of lucidity that can be achieved in the dream. In many lucids I'll think (I'll even stop and gape) over the detailed realism of a lucid dream. Do our waking life definitions of 'real' detract from lucidity? It seems by marvelling at how real a lucid dream seems, I'm disregarding the full implications of being in a dream in favour of superficial detail. I suppose as I gain more experience elements of the dream will become less distracting.
I will certainly do this when I find myself there againQuote:
So next time you're in this situation (if it happened once it will surely happen again), try to hold still when the spinning starts, and take a moment to feel yourself as part of the nothingness, all the while knowing that the nothingness is just another facet of your Self. Trust me, it'll be exhilarating.
Yes I would say my control felt more natural and unforced than it ever has done. It's tempting to think of that power as symbolic of the DEILD or the contact with the void, if only because the sense of the malleability of the dream was so great having travelled through the void.Quote:
As an aside, I have a question: Did you feel that, after the DEILD transition, doing the task of the month was fairly easy to do? Also, (you don't need to answer, but be sure to ask yourself) did you wonder about the red power you had in that ninja battle, where it truly may have been sauced -- s'cuse me: sourced? Seems there's something to think about there, and it relates right back to the DEILD transition.
You're right -- I think that if you have difficulty remembering the void bit, your awareness likely was not high. If it were, then, trust me, you'd remember every second vividly -- recall would not be an issue. So I'll backtrack a bit and say that your time in the void was just a bit of NREM, or perhaps your unprepared dreaming mind literally spooling you up for the next dream. Sorry ... I guess I got excited there! Still, I think everything I said might hold fast, since next time you find yourself in this situation, your awareness might spike from expectation alone, and you'll be in for a very interesting time!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ctharlhie
Yes, I agree that being amazed at the realism of a dream, or perhaps being intensely impressed by certain details or vividness, can detract from lucidity. Why? Because when you are in awe, you risk falling under the spell of your own dream, where a part of you begins to believe things like "This is all beyond me," or, worse, you take for granted the dreamscape, as you take for granted the waking-life landscape, and allow yourself to accept its "realness." All that does is change the balance of self-awareness in favor of the dream, and lost lucidity.Quote:
It's interesting that you draw particular attention to the 'thereness' proportional to the mundanity of the scene. I've started to wonder whether being stunned at the apparent realism of the dream may limit the potential level of lucidity that can be achieved in the dream. In many lucids I'll think (I'll even stop and gape) over the detailed realism of a lucid dream. Do our waking life definitions of 'real' detract from lucidity? It seems by marvelling at how real a lucid dream seems, I'm disregarding the full implications of being in a dream in favour of superficial detail. I suppose as I gain more experience elements of the dream will become less distracting.
Be tempted, Ctharlhie, because that is a very good thought (right on the money, from my perspective), and a mindset like that will be of great value next DEILD...Quote:
Yes I would say my control felt more natural and unforced than it ever has done. It's tempting to think of that power as symbolic of the DEILD or the contact with the void, if only because the sense of the malleability of the dream was so great having traveled through the void.
Well last night, I remember falling asleep during the WILD. But when I woke up in the morning I tried again. I had one of those WILDs where I drift off for a couple of minutes into my thoughts (although I don't realize it) and then snap back into focus. When I snapped back, I was in the weird state where all of my limbs seemed to be falling asleep (like for instance if you have been laying on your hand for a long time, except all over my body).
It just kept going on and on like this (I kept doing my mantra to, but it seemed like I would never get there) for about 15 more minutes and I then decided to get up for the day.
I know I probably called it quits too early, but since nothing was happening, and I was in a relaxed state, I guess I just thought I slept too much.
^^ Nice work, Sydney, but I have a feeling you know what I'm going to say next. Yep, that's right: you have to stay with it! It sounds like you were doing everything right and were headed for your dream, but gave up a smudge early. Next time think about giving it another fifteen minutes after you reach a telltale sensation like SP (likely the source of that numbness), perhaps imagining the dream you'd like to be in to pass the time. You can even do this if you have a feeling your body is ready to get up -- sometimes you can coax an extra REM cycle from a body that is otherwise ready to wake up.
Thanks for sharing, and I hope the next try will ne a success!
I had a WILD this morning! :D Here's the DJ entry if you wanna read, it was quite short though, but cool nonetheless :banana:
2nd WILD
Not quite sure why it worked when I had only 2 hours of crappy sleep :S
Pretty awesome WILD there, interesting that even after only 2 hours sleep you didn't get up or WBTB at all. I think I may be simply too awake when I attempt....Quote:
Originally Posted by paigeyemps
It's really cool how visual the transition was, congrats on the second WILD :D
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ctharlhie
The transition was kinda hard and confusing for me, because I've never done it properly before, so I didn't really know what to do. Glad it worked :3
How do you guys transition? I'd love to know! :)
In my DEILD transitions I typically either undergo body image distortions, often I'll hallucinate rapid motion and will hear distortion (I've even heard sounds like the old 'dialup' internet connection login tones).Quote:
Originally Posted by paigeyemps
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Originally Posted by paigeyemps
My transition from wake to dream? You sure you want to know? I don't think you'll like it! Okay, though I already pretty much outlined it in the course, here you go:
I'm awake; I wait, with mental prep (intentions, expectations, a regular RRC routine) in place, for sleep to find me, all the while repeating my mantra and doing as little else as possible. Then the "noise" comes and goes, as unheeded as possible, and I either sense that it's time to assemble a dream or find myself in a "ready-made" version of my bedroom or other familiar place, and I start my dream, hopefully as planned.
Not much of a transition I know, but it's worked fine for me for many, many years, WILD or DEILD. Remember it's the goal, the dream, that matters, and not the transition. The less work you gotta deal with on the way to being lucid, the better!
Going to start picking WILDs up again! Took a brief break because the lack of sleep due to the attempts was becoming draining.
Afternoon nap attempt went pretty well. I had snippets of images what I'm assuming was dreams but I seem to have kept being pulled back from them, unsure why. Occasionally I would also feel myself drifting off and losing focus, wasn't too sure whether to just let that ride through but whenever it happened just thinking about it stopped the drifting.
The attempt was about an hour until I got disturbed by family coming home. I really think afternoon naps would work quite well for my WILD attempts but extended attempts seem to always be disrupted by family.
I tried a WILD last night at 3am. But I kept swallowing and as soon as I started focusing on that, It got worse :(
Glad you're back at it, RareCola, though breaks are often as important as the work -- good call!Quote:
Originally Posted by RareCola
... now if you can just do something about keeping that family at bay for a couple hours! ;)
Well, I guess that's a start. Sometimes if you have a body function like swallowing repeating itself and trashing your WILD, it might be best to get up for a minute and try to shake off the effects of the function -- maybe get a glass of water in this case, and then lie down and try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crashyy
Thanks! I will try that next time :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sageous
I don't know if I WILDed last night or not, I don't think I did, but regardless it's the closest I've been to actually WILDing. The whole thing was all over the place; posted more about it in my dream journal: 21st July 2012 - 14th & 15th Lucid Dreams [Maybe successful WILD?] - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
Here's an easy rule of thumb, RareCola: if you don't think it was a WILD, it wasn't. The first dream was definitely a DILD, though the second dream was a near perfect example of DEILD -- nice work! ... And there's remember no shame in landing in an LD through DILDQuote:
Originally Posted by RareCola
Also, way to hold still, and good job keeping attention to the noise at a minimum.
Finally, I loved the scene of having your Mum fly away!
PDF of WILD According to Sageous is available.
I don't know if any of you might be interested, but Xanous has made a PDF of the entire course, and is willing to share if asked. So, if you want the course in PDF, just PM him, and he'll tell you how to get it.
If the material is free and uploaded to a file-sharing server, the link may just be posted to the thread if that agrees with you, Sageous.
That's fine with me! ... of course, I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'll trust you! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by fOrceez
So if you're willing to post what FOrceez said, Xanous, please go ahead.
Hmm I am having many LDs lately ,but unfortunately no WILDs :roll: . So today I had an experience that quite resembled a WILD ,but I am not really sure if it was a lucid dream or just HI.
I was laying in my bed not moving at all ignoring all those itches that usually just come and then I suddenly feel like my legs are floating in the air. The next thing I see is some kind of a pivot like cartoon (which means there were lots of stickmen). The stickmen are sliding around and flying and do a bunch of stuff. Now I am also a stickman and I am playing soccer on a soccer field. Now I run into a field inside the soccer field which is called syria and while the other stickmen are shouting to me not to go there an illustrated big purple wave is taking my stickman self with it. Since I knew I am actually laying in my bed I knew that was not really me so I didn't really care and messed around with the other stickmen. Now an angry bird suddenly appeared and tried to explain the current situation ,but it was not really sure how to put it into words so I decided to just wake up.
Now it sounds just random as my dreams are ,but since I changed my position every 10 seconds for about 20-30 minutes I am not sure really sure I WILDed at all :?. Even though now that I reread the post again it seems it can maybe fit as a WILD ,but I am not really sure since I have never really seen HI before (Only heard and felt...) so I can't really compare it to a dream and find the difference.