Thread: How to WILD

Hey guys.
Its been awhile since I've posted a tutorial, so I figured I'd fill you in on some of the stuff I've learned about WILD over the past few months.

I hope you find it as useful as I have.

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That pain technique is not "the way to WILD." It is just an example of how to use an anchor to keep your consciousness up.

Other anchors could be anything:

• Passively noticing your breathing
• Turn on some white noise
• Make the room colder/hotter than usual
• Buy something that vibrates and tie it to your leg/let it vibrate there as you fall asleep.

The reason I used pain as an example is because even the person that has almost zero willpower will be able to hold onto it as they slowly drift off.


The pain method will NOT work for everyone. As someone in this thread mentioned, some people have a low tolerance for pain and will not be able to properly fall asleep due to it clouding the forefronts of their mind's (much like normal 'long' WILD methods do with breathing/etc).

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There were two things I wanted you guys to take out of this tutorial:
the five step process.

1. Sleep beforehand
2. Get up for a little while
3. Calm your body/mind
4. Use an anchor
5. Fall asleep

And a deeper understanding of the underlying mechanics of "WILD."

If pain doesn't seem to work for you, try low volume white noise. If that doesn't work, use your breathing. Think of FILD and DEILD, they work for some people but not for others. Now that you know what to look for, you can choose the method that is right for you (or easily create one for yourself).
With any anchor you use, use it passively.

very nice

Oi! You're back? =O

Originally Posted by BillyBob

The people that were trying to teach you how to WILD actually had no idea what was happening when they laid down and WILDed, they just knew that what they did worked for them, and thus it must work for others.

I love you..... so true... I'm one of the few people that will admit it in my tech thread =P but I don't have time to read the rest of this. Later I will =P

Excellent

Thank you!

Nice tutorial! So are you saying this method would work for everyone? I am pretty sure that dull ache would occupy my mind so much that i wouldn't be able to sleep, i find it hard to go to sleep anyway, for example i could wake up from a dream, turn over and lay there for an hour without passing out. Ill give it a try though also what kind of dull ache do you create as standard when doing this? I think i may have done this by accident this morning, i woke up from a dream and was laying on my front with my arms underneath me and i was quite uncomfortable but couldn't be bothered to move and i could hear things in my ear, then i went into a dream where i was playing a 2d game but thats all i could see, im not sure though it could have just been HI, but im guna try laying like that again tonight

awesome turtorial. I'll try that tonight

I just read through the wall of text, and it seems.. plausible. Course, that doesn't automatically make it valid, but I do like the sound of it. I'm going to give this a go tonight and see how I fare. You can expect a report tomorrow.

Off topic: I know it's an asshole thing to point out, but you use 'your' pretty consistently where it seems as if you mean to use 'you're'. It just made the tutorial a little irritating to read; it messes with the flow of the writing.

EDIT: A question: Do you ever find, after entering a dream using this method, that the physical pain you used to 'anchor' your conciousness intrudes upon your dream? Does your body usually adjust itself to a more comfortable position once you are asleep proper?

amazing tut. props to you. theres a lot of things in here that people really need to keep in mind when they're attempting to WILD. .. =]

Hey BillyBob welcome back, I have had that same idea with the cavemen, though I never thought about the goal stopping them, I knew that having any kind of goal in WILD isn't good, and I had heard you say that your basicly trying to go to sleep in WILD. I think I can see why pain might work better, but what about the feel of the bed pressing up against you, or the sound of a fan. I also personally find visualization as a kind of catalyst to falling into sleep, I know quite a few people who are very good, thus able to do it faster.

Like my idea was that when you focus on internal things stronger and stronger that it kind of shuts off external, I notice you don't talk about that a lot. As if the conscious is fooled by the internal senses, mistaking them for external ones, thus bringing the magnet of the conscious and attracting it to internal things, thus falling asleep.

Not a bad read.. glad to see more and more people take this kind of approach to WILDing and lucid dreaming in general. So many misconceptions out there at the moment that make this seem either impossible or extremely difficult.

While I agree that WILDs are not a generic experience where you progressively pass through all the precursors (SP/HI/etc) followed by entry into a dream.. I do not know if comparing it to a theory on the early hunting era is quite the right direction to go . Dont get me wrong; its simplified and will make it understandable to more people so kudos to that. I just feel like there's a lot more to it then subconsciously using something we picked up millions of years ago.

Personally I believe most of the problems people face are recently attained; they are simply mental blocks people have built up due to the lack on concrete evidence. Quite frankly lucid dreaming is not an exact science yet and people are comparing this newly acquired false information up against nothing. A new person might read an invalid post and take it as fact because they don't know any better. I think people need to kind of learn these things on their own if they really want to get a firm grasp how things are done. Dont get me wrong I would not be where I am today if it wasn't for the diversity of information available. The last thing I want to do is tell people to stop posting ideas. I just feel as though the readers need to take the position of an observer; not a protégé of the poster. Absorb the information but simply use it as an assistant in your bag of tools.

Like you explain in the tutorial its just a matter of getting out of that frame of mind; well surely if you can break down that barrier you can build one up just as easily. It seems much more plausible to me that with a consistent feed of "misguided" information (Not wrong; just not right as a whole) people are bound to take these things to be true because someone with a higher post count said so. Its easy to see why everyone is stuck in this frame of mind when 90% of people say these things are necessary to succeed.

Thats not to say everyone else is wrong and I am right its just that I think most beginners are stuck in rut because they are trying a "fool-proof" method posted by Jimmy with no success. This fails and they give up. Or perhaps they go into a WILD expecting the same thing that User234 posted; they are sitting and waiting and waiting for SP/HI which is preventing them for progressing or learning more about the experience in general because they are caught up on something that doesn't matter for them.

Pain stimulated anchors may be quite effective for some; but I have to say it will probably no more different then focusing on HI/tactile/breathing/etc for many people. I feel like you have the right idea down which is whats really important; but that final step is just another personalized successful tool. This is what makes or breaks the technique; if you overlook or miss your anchor its no different then any other night. So again I want to remind people that pain isn't going to guarantee lucidity; for some it may be to much (Stay awake) or some to little (Pass out). Defiantly try it out; but keep in mind its not the only method out there.

Either way. your post should most defiantly help people take a step back and re approach WILDs from a different direction; hopefully one that works for them. At the end of the day I feel like anyone who is having problems with WILDing need to forget everything they know and just go into it with an open mind, ready to experience something new. Thanks for the post BillyBob

I just got back from work and just read the whole tut....

I have only one thing to say to you.....

YOU FUCKER =O That makes perfect fucking sense. Right when I read the line showing that we would have a biological deterrent to entering REM when we are aware and watching all the pieces suddenly flew together. I agree with that message wholeheartedly. How in the world did that idea spark? You must have felt so good when you came to the realization.... Anyhow, I'm gonna let all the consequences of it sink in before I write anything about what it might mean...

I feel that you left part of it out as well, however. An anchor might be helpful but you still need a "destination". Going to sleep with a slight pain isn't going to instantly spring you a lucid. It needs a bit of prodding... not that you try to pursue with vigor, that obviously is ineffective. Rather, to try and explain it through a general "feeling"... You want to try and walk towards a target nonchalantly and backwards. You don't see where you're going but you don't really care and you never turn around to see. It really comes down to a test of confidence. This is where many techs have helpful little pointers. My personnel direction is springing some visualization and seeing where that leads me. Can you think of anything you do to prod yourself into a lucid? I know that my visualization was automatic (and I never noticed it) until I started analyzing it.

That being said, I have a favorite little anchor I just realized I use... When I wake up and want to just go right back into a lucid I often just put my head off the pillow. I never knew why I did that.... I never even connected it to lucids =P I also sleep with my hand under my pillows a lot even though its slightly uncomfortable.

Hi Billy...

You always seems to be a step ahead before dreamviews. Still this forum is starting to recognize, that simply beeing awake doesnt mean to be aware on its own too. There are many techniques written about the topic of WILD but in recent time I found out, that there are some people, who actually tell simple truth. But to be honest. Finding such an information is often as hard as digging deep into all of the topics here.

Years of your experiences accumulated into this tutorial. Interesting about it is its simplicity. Becouse WILD is something simple, it is all about respecting what is determined from past. May this tutorial stop the wave of WILD techniques and initiate discussions about what WILD really is.

Its good you returned. There is a lot to be discussed

That pain technique is not "the way to WILD." It is just an example of how to use an anchor to keep your consciousness up.

Other anchors could be anything:

• Passively noticing your breathing
• Turn on some white noise
• Make the room colder/hotter than usual
• Buy something that vibrates and tie it to your leg/let it vibrate there as you fall asleep.

The reason I used pain as an example is because even the person that has almost zero willpower will be able to hold onto it as they slowly drift off.


The pain method will NOT work for everyone. As someone in this thread mentioned, some people have a low tolerance for pain and will not be able to properly fall asleep due to it clouding the forefronts of their mind's (much like normal 'long' WILD methods do with breathing/etc).

__

There were two things I wanted you guys to take out of this tutorial:
the five step process.

1. Sleep beforehand
2. Get up for a little while
3. Calm your body/mind
4. Use an anchor
5. Fall asleep

And a deeper understanding of the underlying mechanics of "WILD."

If pain doesn't seem to work for you, try low volume white noise. If that doesn't work, use your breathing.
With any anchor you use, use it passively.

Originally Posted by BillyBob

That pain technique is not "the way to WILD." It is just an example of how to use an anchor to keep your consciousness up.

Other anchors could be anything:

• Passively noticing your breathing
• Turn on some white noise
• Make the room colder/hotter than usual
• Buy something that vibrates and tie it to your leg/let it vibrate there as you fall asleep.

The reason I used pain as an example is because even the person that has almost zero willpower will be able to hold onto it as they slowly drift off.


The pain method will NOT work for everyone. As someone in this thread mentioned, some people have a low tolerance for pain and will not be able to properly fall asleep due to it clouding the forefronts of their mind's (much like normal 'long' WILD methods do with breathing/etc).

__

There were two things I wanted you guys to take out of this tutorial:
the five step process.

1. Sleep beforehand
2. Get up for a little while
3. Calm your body/mind
4. Use an anchor
5. Fall asleep

And a deeper understanding of the underlying mechanics of "WILD."

If pain doesn't seem to work for you, try low volume white noise. If that doesn't work, use your breathing.
With any anchor you use, use it passively.

I like the way, how you keep things modular. Thats cool, becouse only now, as we see the generalization, we may create our own modules within the process of wild.

Could you please help me, answering something? There are techniques, which require mental action from one performing them. Such as visualization techniques. As they work for some people, is it becouse they are performing the visualization passively?

I have read about many people, who simply create a scene in their head and move directly into that scene. I think I am understanding something wrong. Could you please tell me your opinion on this? Thx.

Archdreamer: You thought that was a wall of text?

Originally Posted by randomdreamer

very nice

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Denny22

Excellent

Thank you!

Thank you

Originally Posted by lozbritt

Nice tutorial! So are you saying this method would work for everyone? I am pretty sure that dull ache would occupy my mind so much that i wouldn't be able to sleep, i find it hard to go to sleep anyway, for example i could wake up from a dream, turn over and lay there for an hour without passing out. Ill give it a try though also what kind of dull ache do you create as standard when doing this? I think i may have done this by accident this morning, i woke up from a dream and was laying on my front with my arms underneath me and i was quite uncomfortable but couldn't be bothered to move and i could hear things in my ear, then i went into a dream where i was playing a 2d game but thats all i could see, im not sure though it could have just been HI, but im guna try laying like that again tonight

The dull ache most likely will not work for 100% of people. As you've just said, some people already have a hard enough time falling asleep normally, much less with pain shooting through their body.
Check out the post above me.

Usually when I'm using the ache method I aim for something that is just "uncomfortable." That is, something that I'll be able to notice while near sleep, but that I can also suppress if need be. Something thats there, but not totally clouding my mind.

About your accidental WILD: I've had many of those Before I understood what was going on they were a complete mystery to me, now it makes perfect sense.

Originally Posted by kole

awesome turtorial. I'll try that tonight

Report back here with your results, I'd love to hear them.

Originally Posted by archdreamer

Off topic: I know it's an asshole thing to point out, but you use 'your' pretty consistently where it seems as if you mean to use 'you're'. It just made the tutorial a little irritating to read; it messes with the flow of the writing.

EDIT: A question: Do you ever find, after entering a dream using this method, that the physical pain you used to 'anchor' your conciousness intrudes upon your dream? Does your body usually adjust itself to a more comfortable position once you are asleep proper?

Thanks for pointing that out. I can't believe how easily the simple grammar escapes me sometimes

Strangely no, the pain never seems to transfer for me.

Originally Posted by punkstar

amazing tut. props to you. theres a lot of things in here that people really need to keep in mind when they're attempting to WILD. .. =]

Thanks. I hope its as eye opening to you guys as it was to me when it first clicked.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

Hey BillyBob welcome back, I have had that same idea with the cavemen, though I never thought about the goal stopping them, I knew that having any kind of goal in WILD isn't good, and I had heard you say that your basicly trying to go to sleep in WILD. I think I can see why pain might work better, but what about the feel of the bed pressing up against you, or the sound of a fan. I also personally find visualization as a kind of catalyst to falling into sleep, I know quite a few people who are very good, thus able to do it faster.

Like my idea was that when you focus on internal things stronger and stronger that it kind of shuts off external, I notice you don't talk about that a lot. As if the conscious is fooled by the internal senses, mistaking them for external ones, thus bringing the magnet of the conscious and attracting it to internal things, thus falling asleep.

To the first paragraph:
Those things are all perfectly fine to induce WILDs. They are each anchors that enable you to hold your logic above water as everything else starts to fade. In the post before this one I explain this a bit more in depth . I know I didn't make that clear enough in the main tutorial.

The second paragraph:
Hmm... I'm not quite sure what you mean here. If your talking about making mental images that are so vivid your mind inverts its perception inwards (ie. your mental state changes from focusing on the outside world to the inside one, thus initiating a lucid dream) then I must ask you: why waste so much time? We all already have a simple way to change perceptual states built right into our brains that we initiate every night of our lives.

It is much easier, more efficient, and outright simpler to just use your natural perceptual-switcher rather than attempting to outwit everything your mind was built to defend against. When your trying to work against your mind for LDs you walk a fine line. I did this for about two years... There were several times when I just unexplainably became incapable of WILDing properly.

Originally Posted by Shady

I do not know if comparing it to a theory on the early hunting era is quite the right direction to go . Don't get me wrong; its simplified and will make it understandable to more people so kudos to that. I just feel like there's a lot more to it then subconsciously using something we picked up millions of years ago.

Pain stimulated anchors may be quite effective for some; but I have to say it will probably no more different then focusing on HI/tactile/breathing/etc for many people. I feel like you have the right idea down which is whats really important; but that final step is just another personalized successful tool. This is what makes or breaks the technique; if you overlook or miss your anchor its no different then any other night. So again I want to remind people that pain isn't going to guarantee lucidity; for some it may be to much (Stay awake) or some to little (Pass out). Defiantly try it out; but keep in mind its not the only method out there.

Either way. your post should most defiantly help people take a step back and re approach WILDs from a different direction; hopefully one that works for them. At the end of the day I feel like anyone who is having problems with WILDing need to forget everything they know and just go into it with an open mind, ready to experience something new. Thanks for the post BillyBob

I've always gone under the assumption that to truly understand how something works, you have to see it in its most simple and unblemished form.
That is what the caveman example was. This did not start with cavemen by the way, it started many many species before. Imagine a lion stalking its prey and then falling into SP. This system is the most basic of basic constraints we have against going into SP. Sure there are many others that you will encounter if doing deep forms of WILD (ie. laying still attempting to induce the dreamstate through sheer will) but most people don't even need to think about these things. If they just WILD after sleeping and only stay up for a short period before beginning then nothing else really matters.

Yes, there is a lot of misguided information out there. I'm not even going to attempt to put myself above this. I had to write a whole bunch of bullshit to get to the level of understanding I'm at today.

Yeah I didn't make it very clear in the main tutorial, but the final method doesn't have to be 'pain' at all. That was just an example that I was using. The final step is to use an 'anchor,' thats all. The anchor can be anything. Everyone has to find the one that works best for them (which isn't that hard at all. This is nothing like most WILD methods that attempt to teach a long drawn out "procedure" that you have to o before being able to enter a dream).

Yes, WILD is simple. Very, very, simple.

Originally Posted by arby

I have only one thing to say to you.....

YOU FUCKER =O That makes perfect fucking sense. Right when I read the line showing that we would have a biological deterrent to entering REM when we are aware and watching all the pieces suddenly flew together. I agree with that message wholeheartedly. How in the world did that idea spark? You must have felt so good when you came to the realization.... Anyhow, I'm gonna let all the consequences of it sink in before I write anything about what it might mean...

I feel that you left part of it out as well, however. An anchor might be helpful but you still need a "destination". Going to sleep with a slight pain isn't going to instantly spring you a lucid. It needs a bit of prodding... not that you try to pursue with vigor, that obviously is ineffective. Rather, to try and explain it through a general "feeling"... You want to try and walk towards a target nonchalantly and backwards. You don't see where you're going but you don't really care and you never turn around to see. It really comes down to a test of confidence. This is where many techs have helpful little pointers. My personnel direction is springing some visualization and seeing where that leads me. Can you think of anything you do to prod yourself into a lucid? I know that my visualization was automatic (and I never noticed it) until I started analyzing it.

That being said, I have a favorite little anchor I just realized I use... When I wake up and want to just go right back into a lucid I often just put my head off the pillow. I never knew why I did that.... I never even connected it to lucids =P I also sleep with my hand under my pillows a lot even though its slightly uncomfortable.

Yes it really did just hit one one morning as I was WILDing, something along the lines of "Oh my god. All you have to do to WILD is fall asleep."
It took a good month and a half for it all to sink completely in to a point where I could write this. It was the key to everything that had perplexed me so badly for four years. Yeah, I was quite happy.

I have written it all out so as to avoid people looking for a "target." This type of thinking is useless to a noobie, it only encourages them to lay waiting for something to happen.
The method works because of course somewhere deep down your going to be saying "I am about to enter a dream." Its impossible to wake up in the middle of the night and start some WILD method without thinking a tiny bit about what your doing. They wake up after several hours of sleep, then they sit around for ten minutes. What are they thinking about?

You see, the focusing on an anchor is what gets them into the actually dream. Their awareness is kept afloat via "doing something" (watching pain in my example). When the dream starts up, they are still watching the anchor and thus are still conscious.
This is where the pre-WILD expectations and reality checks come into play. They realize "oh shit, how did I get here" and then do a reality check and are lucid.

This is the most simplified WILD I could possibly think of. It takes about the same amount of time to do this as it does to fall asleep. Because thats all your doing - falling asleep normally with a slight alteration.


Yes my old favorite anchor was to put my head onto my pillow (while lying on my back). This caused me to have slight neck pain and was fucking with my posture so one day I decided I would just WILD without a pillow.
I failed every time I tried for the next few months.

Originally Posted by adraw

Hi Billy...

You always seems to be a step ahead before dreamviews. Still this forum is starting to recognize, that simply beeing awake doesnt mean to be aware on its own too. There are many techniques written about the topic of WILD but in recent time I found out, that there are some people, who actually tell simple truth. But to be honest. Finding such an information is often as hard as digging deep into all of the topics here.

Years of your experiences accumulated into this tutorial. Interesting about it is its simplicity. Becouse WILD is something simple, it is all about respecting what is determined from past. May this tutorial stop the wave of WILD techniques and initiate discussions about what WILD really is.

Its good you returned. There is a lot to be discussed

Thanks, I hope at least some people understand WILD through this tutorial.
Oftentimes when I've written extremely simplified tutorials in the past they weren't very popular
People prefer to just be told what to do, not how to make their own way of doing something/how what they're doing works.

Thats just human nature though I suppose.


EDIT:
(missed this)

Originally Posted by adraw

Could you please help me, answering something? There are techniques, which require mental action from one performing them. Such as visualization techniques. As they work for some people, is it becouse they are performing the visualization passively?

I have read about many people, who simply create a scene in their head and move directly into that scene. I think I am understanding something wrong. Could you please tell me your opinion on this? Thx.

The visualization is a form of anchoring.
The reason most people take so long tio WILD is because they often focus too hard on their anchors. They will sit there burning a visualization into their mind, pushing away all abstract thoughts, until they enter a dream.

This works for some, but it can take a very long time to get into a dream.


There are some methods that use visualization as an anchor in the correct way: They tell you to get up after a few hours of sleep then start visualizing walking through a scene or something and then the scene will "become real."
There are two reasons that this works:

1. Walking through a scene is itself an anchor
2. The person that is visualizing is already EXTREMELY tired

Usually visualizing could be too "heavy" an anchor (for example, if you stayed up for thirty minutes before WILDing). It would just be very hard for you to easily fall asleep while running through a scene in your mind. Notice that it could work for many people, it would just take a very long time.
However, when visualizing and staying up for an extremely short period are combined, some find it very easy to passively visualize while drifting off.

WILD methods can basically be broken down into two things:

• Wakefulness
• Willpower

Wakefulness represents how long it would take you to fall asleep if you just laid down and closed your eyes. Willpower is the amount of mental power expended on whatever anchor you are using.

The goal is to let wakefulness slightly overcome willpower. That is, to let sleep overcome your focus on your anchor.
What will often happen is that one second you're noticing your anchor, then you realize that you stopped noticing it for awhile and start to focus on it again. These brief gaps in noticing your anchor is what allows sleep/the dreamstate to creep in under the radar and take you away.

If you were visualizing as an anchor, you may one second be walking through your front yard, then a second later you just randomly notice that you are actually IN in your front yard. That gap in awareness was wakefulness overcoming willpower.

Originally Posted by BillyBob

Yes it really did just hit one one morning as I was WILDing, something along the lines of "Oh my god. All you have to do to WILD is fall asleep."

Heh, yeah. WILD is just sleep with a twist =P Of course, its the twist that's the pain =P

The thing that's really got my gears rolling is if there is actually a "mental" block that prevents you from WILDing. You see, WILDing would be contradictory. I had previously thought that staying aware would prevent you from WILDing because in order to WILD you must remain aware/concious. But if you were aware/concious, your mind couldn't delude itself into a dream and you wouldn't become lucid. Of course, if you have one you shouldn't be able to have the other so I explained our ability to WILD by using doublethink. The ability to hold two mutually contradicing beleifs at the same time. Of course, there is no way to conciously use doublethink as the use of doublethink required doublethink to be used on itself thus that was useless XD

But if the thing blocking it is biological and there is not the above described mental barrier then there is no contradiction... you can be concious and slip into a lucid state without doing some crazy stuff to induce doublethink. You only have to stay concious/aware while not being anticipatory/waiting. That sounds a hell of alot easier (and accurate)

I don't think I was very accurate with my "destination" rant. I think I've been wallowing in my own tech too long and have thus grown accostomed to one of the luxuries of it =P After a bit of thought I've concluded that it's not nessasary at all as your head will push you to your "destination" automatically just as it does every night when you dream. Its just that controlling that destination is just so much cooler ;P

Lastly, I'm not the biggest fan of the pain method either. Theres probably a way with more finess. I'm gonna see what I can come up with in regards to that.... I mean, the criteria is so simple! But a method where you conciously induce it such as the pain method has a slight mental contradiction. You have to do ______ (in this case, pain) in anticipation that it will make you lucid but you have to avoid anticipating.... I'm gonna see if I can find a way around that (its pretty all encompasing, though)

Great tutorial! I'm definitely trying the pain anchor tonight.

Thx , this really help

Ok cool.
But what is the difference between people thinking about what they did today and falling asleep to that (as half the population would),
and the WILDers using the same method of imagining scenes etc, as an anchor.
They are both anchoring and falling to sleep, yet the normal sleepers don't go Lucid.
Is the only diff that the WILDers are focussing on one image and not many?
Just a question.

Great tutorial

Firs of all: Thank you BillyBob for your useful tutorials.

Hello everyone,
I've lurked for some months and this is my very first post: I felt compelled to thank all the members that have posted useful informations.

Lucid Dreaming is a really new field and it's like a puzzle where every day someone brings up a new piece that fits in the picture.
What's really exciting for me is witnessing all the collaborative work done in this community.
Thanks to your contributions one day LDing will become a joyful experience for many more people around the world.
You really are pioneers.

I discovered lucid dreaming about a year ago. I didn't believe it was real, but after some trials I started have firsthand experiences.
Now I investigate this phenomenon methodically and one day I hope to provide some useful insights too.

BillyBob, your tutorial is really food for thought, the anchor part does ring a bell, you really hit a hot-spot. I think this growing discussion will be even more interesting.

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Ok cool.
But what is the difference between people thinking about what they did today and falling asleep to that (as half the population would),
and the WILDers using the same method of imagining scenes etc, as an anchor.
They are both anchoring and falling to sleep, yet the normal sleepers don't go Lucid.
Is the only diff that the WILDers are focussing on one image and not many?
Just a question.

Really there isn't; imagery, tactile sensations, counting breaths etc etc... are all just other forms of anchors. Being able to WILD comes from being able to use your anchor as an assistant/tool; not being able to think about what it is. We need more posts about anchor/transition theories (Don't mean examples); never mind WBTB/Relaxation. I think everyone knows a WBTB is important after spending 5 minutes on the boards.

Pretty consistent guideline with every other tutorial:

• Wbtb
• Relax
• Apply Anchor
• Sleep

Nothing new; but he says it in a simplistic way that is attracting more people. Its causing people to actually notice it so its doing something right.

Originally Posted by Shady

Really there isn't; imagery, tactile sensations, counting breaths etc etc... are all just other forms of anchors. Being able to WILD comes from being able to use your anchor as an assistant/tool; not being able to think about what it is.

Pretty consistent guideline with every other tutorial:

• Wbtb
• Relax
• Apply Anchor
• Sleep

Nothing new; but he says it in a simplistic way that is attracting more people. Its causing people to rave over it so its doing something right.

Ok no problem, but why aren't half the population WILDing since they are all anchoring with daily thoughts?

yeah i like dream chasers question, the first tutorial i read about wilding was about 8 steps long and involved all sorts of visualizing and then this technique says to just fall asleep and have something to anchor u, as dream chaser said surely half the people if not more that go to sleep should be wilding??

J.x