Thread: Naiya's DILD & WILD Secrets

Your tutorial is really great! Thanks to your explanation of how to RC I had a lucid dream. I did exactly what you said while I was in a dream and then when I tested to see if I could fly, I became lucid. I love your tips and they have been of great help. :bravo:

Originally Posted by ah19

Hi,

So do you think if I slept at around 11PM and set an alarm for 5, then at 5 went back to sleep repeating "I will realize that I'm dreamimg" over and over then I'll hopefully become lucid?

no success i recalled no dreams this morning.. ill keep trying

I think this is a good way to do it. If you want an extra boost, try repeating your mantra before you go to bed initially, too. Or, if you find the mantra hard to repeat when you are tired (or the reverse, it's keeping you awake), try to remember the last vivid dream you had and imagine yourself lucid in it.

Originally Posted by Naiya

I think this is a good way to do it. If you want an extra boost, try repeating your mantra before you go to bed initially, too. Or, if you find the mantra hard to repeat when you are tired (or the reverse, it's keeping you awake), try to remember the last vivid dream you had and imagine yourself lucid in it.

thanks a lot naiya, i've been improving my dream recall (recalled 3 today) and i followed the suggestion about the mantra b4 bed and then during the short wakeup at 5am, and guess what... i had a dream where i was talking to a friend and i said "this is a dream..." and some other stuff... but i didnt become lucid im worried that i failed to become lucid at such an obvious sign and im wondering so you have any suggestions, because if i failed at such an obvious sign i will have no chacne at the more discreet ones

Originally Posted by Naiya

I think this is a good way to do it. If you want an extra boost, try repeating your mantra before you go to bed initially, too. Or, if you find the mantra hard to repeat when you are tired (or the reverse, it's keeping you awake), try to remember the last vivid dream you had and imagine yourself lucid in it.

That's a fantastic idea! I am finding repeating the mantra to myself is keeping me awake. Though, I thought I might put a bit of a spin on it, and think about some reoccuring dreamsigns I have, and imagining myself becoming lucid once I see them... how about that?

@ah19 Don't beat yourself up over missing a chance to become lucid over something that seems obvious! Many of us are beginners here, I think we can all agree that when we dream, we generally take everything at face value, and accept things as they are (including odd looking letters, time never stays the same, you have six fingers on one hand! The list goes on). That's why we're here, to teach ourselves awareness and make it intrinsic - so that when we see something in our dreams, we question it the way we have been doing in waking life.

Anyways, you're DEFINITELY not the only one who misses something that should be obvious. Go check out this thread and have a laugh over what others have admitted to missing http://ww.dreamviews.com/community/s...ad.php?t=29419

Remember, practice and it takes time!

Edit: Whoops! Sorry for the double post! I was wondering why that "Reason for editing" box didn't pop up at the bottom when I was adding the response to @ah19! *RC's.... yep... still awake*

Eternal Star, I deleted the other post, so no worries.

hello
tell me something...
this is what I understand to be aware, and that will help in dreams...A LOT.

for me, is being totally aware of my 5 senses.
I mean, totally living trought what I see, what I smell, what I taste, what I feel and hear.
what do you think?
will it work?
how much time did it take you with a method based on awareness? what things brought to you?(I heard the podcast, but these questions....)

ok, thanks!

bye!

Hey Mariano.

Check your PM box.

Great guide!
Im new on dreamviews and was advised to read your guide. And so i did. Im glad i did.
Even though im totally new in lucid dreaming, i felt the guide was brilliant. The more or less simple and understandable explanations are super nice!
But anyhow, when you lucid dream how long do you fell the dream lasts? And if you have a couple of lucid dreams in one night, isnt it like living a second life?
And how long does a person stay in sleep paralysis?

I actually experienced my first sleep paralysis last night (i think). I felt weird vibrations. I then tried to relax and focus on a a sound and then change it, but i kept being interrupted but random muscle twitches and stuff... maybe i wasnt focused enough? Any Advice on that?

Thanks!

Good read, and an interesting twist on RC (being aware all day), I like the idea of using meditation too - I'll be trying a few of the things out for myself!

Originally Posted by jammerro

Great guide!
Im new on dreamviews and was advised to read your guide. And so i did. Im glad i did.
Even though im totally new in lucid dreaming, i felt the guide was brilliant. The more or less simple and understandable explanations are super nice!
But anyhow, when you lucid dream how long do you fell the dream lasts? And if you have a couple of lucid dreams in one night, isnt it like living a second life?
And how long does a person stay in sleep paralysis?

I actually experienced my first sleep paralysis last night (i think). I felt weird vibrations. I then tried to relax and focus on a a sound and then change it, but i kept being interrupted but random muscle twitches and stuff... maybe i wasnt focused enough? Any Advice on that?

Thanks!

Thanks Jammerro.

With lucid dreams, each one is different. At the moment mine average maybe only a few minutes. Being the week after finals, I'm out of practice and have to refocus myself. But normally, they're about 15-20 minutes, and every once in a while a 30+ minute dream. This is based on real time. How how the dreams feel is usually pretty close to how long they are in real time. But like I said, they're all different, so some can feel short, while others seem hours long even though I'll only be asleep for an hour total since the last WBTB.

WILDing takes some practice, so first of all, congratulate yourself for getting to SP in the first place! It is one of those things that is best learned through experience, so the more you attempt and practice it, the more you'll sort of figure out how your body works. With sleep paralysis, muscle twitches will generally break you out of it yeah. If they're involuntary, there's not much you can do except relax and wait for it to come back. When you WILD, it is important to focus, but you want to try to focus on something that isn't your physical body, because doing that will only keep you awake. So focusing on visualizing a dream, or on any hypogagic hallucinations like sounds or visions really help.

i agree with the whole thing about the horrible itchy spots. i was really close a couple times then all the sudden they came and i wasnt able to control from scratching the crap out of them. so thanks very much for a way around it

Thanks for the answers Naiya. And hey i really gotta thank you once more. Not only are you a genius when it comes to dreams, but your techniques worked like super nice!

I have been dream journaling for 4 nights now, this being the 4th. And since my very beginning 5 days ago, i followed your guide as much as i could.
Before i went to bed yesterday i did my mantras and for the first time, i had my first lucid dream! I think it was a WILD, but im not sure. I was, after a WBTB, doing the dream visualizing thing. And after some time visualizing this dream, i suddenly found myself in that dream being aware that i was dreaming. So i guess its a WILD?

And now that i reached my first goal, dreaming a lucid dream, im gonna start a dream journal here on dreamviews!

Ohh and i was just wondering Naiya, have you ever had a lucid dream where all the physical limitations was not gone? Like your lucid dream was just like reality, not being able to fly, float or anything?


Thanks!!

Wow, that's awesome! I'm so glad to hear you got a lucid dream!

I've had some dreams where I wasn't able to fly or anything, yes. I would call them lucid dreams with little or no dream control. For beginning lucid dreamers, dream control is yet another skill that you need to practice, so a lot of people don't have much control right away. Try checking out our dream control tutorial for some ideas on how to get rid of some of those limitations. I think we have a flying tutorial in there somewhere, too. Good luck!

Hey this is an awesome thread I have been having trouble remembering my dreams so I am gonna try and follow your tips the best I can. Thanks

Wow! thank you so much for this technique!!!!
I read this yesterday, and i just had the best, most vivid Lucid dream i've had yet!
thanks you!

Originally Posted by Naiya

When you WILD, it is important to focus, but you want to try to focus on something that isn't your physical body, because doing that will only keep you awake. So focusing on visualizing a dream, or on any hypogagic hallucinations like sounds or visions really help.

I have read posts which suggested focusing on my breathing and to not really concentrate on any HI. This hasn't exactly worked for me yet, so I might try it the other way around like you are suggesting.

Originally Posted by The Dreaming Zombie

I have read posts which suggested focusing on my breathing and to not really concentrate on any HI. This hasn't exactly worked for me yet, so I might try it the other way around like you are suggesting.

This might be just me, but when I have tried WILDing in the past, focusing on my breathing kept me awake. Next time, I'm going to try using some white noise to help aid me into a WILD. It already works super well on helping me focus when I meditate (but it doesn't keep me awake, either ).

Originally Posted by eternalstar01

This might be just me, but when I have tried WILDing in the past, focusing on my breathing kept me awake. Next time, I'm going to try using some white noise to help aid me into a WILD. It already works super well on helping me focus when I meditate (but it doesn't keep me awake, either ).

Yeah well whenever I focused on my breathing I could drift out and almost fall asleep. The noise of my breathing whenever I enter SP becomes all distorted and then fades out.

But good news is, during my sleep-in this morning I had a pretty cool dream, it ended and I didn't fully wake up (didn't open my eyes/move etc.) and I had my first lucid dream via DEILD.

Saw a random image of these masks floating about but they were kind of far away (tunnel-vision like Naiya said) so I focused on them - BAM. Instant lucid dream where I'm falling and it was so real. Woke up like 5 seconds later, though it made me feel great.

Grats!

I'm currently focusing on using DEILD as my main method for inducing lucids. I'm naturally pretty good at chaining dreams, but I've recently found out that 4 hours is way too early to wake up and attempt chaining, so i'm going to try after 6 hours as soon as I get the chance (hopefully this morning).

Originally Posted by eternalstar01

Grats!

I'm currently focusing on using DEILD as my main method for inducing lucids. I'm naturally pretty good at chaining dreams, but I've recently found out that 4 hours is way too early to wake up and attempt chaining, so i'm going to try after 6 hours as soon as I get the chance (hopefully this morning).

Good luck and I hope that you have much success with it.

I always get unlucky with setting alarms (body nearly always wakes me up a few minutes before it's about to go off) but it's a good thing that I remember waking out of dreams. DEILDs seem like a very good way to go and I didn't even mean to do it.

Morning routine:

Set a second alarm about ten minutes after your first one. When your alarm goes off the first time, try to make a habit of not moving at all--even rolling over (I know it's hard). Again, don't immediately think about the day ahead. Just relax and think back to the last thing you were doing in your dream. Then think about where you were and what you were doing before that, and so on.

Try not to immediately think about the day ahead. Just lay still and try to recall the last thing that happened in your dream. then just slowly ask, "what happened before that?" If you remember nothing, slowly ask yourself if your dream involved any common people in your life, or places or themes. When you've remembered it, write it down immediately. If you don't have time in the morning just jot down some notes/key phrases and fill it in later. That should help improve dream recall.

You may want to keep a little notepad near your bed to jot things down on. Personally, I don't need to write out every detail to remember it so I just jot down a few key words and phrases to refresh my memory later.

I usually do this because i dont want to wake up and get out of bed because im confortable etc... and well now that I readed this.. I think i had already lucid dreams ^^ I remember me doing this very very times... mom calls me... i wake up... than i dont get up from bed and i start to sleep/dream again and i remember to do something in the dream and than i wake up like after 2-3 minutes :O
And well to be true it was very good....
And than I got other situations that im dreaming and its a good dream! than mom calls me to wake up and she destroys my dream !!!! O_O
Are this LD's? :O

If yes I experienced a lot of LD's without knowing that there were LD's lol

*edit: I remembered when i was a kid.. I was dreaming and than suddenly a monsters kills me.. and I DIE! I start to think to myself.. did I died or something? I start to go on panic and wake up! Is this a LD too? :O

*edit2: Im asking this things because im trying to discover what is a LD (i know the definition) and when they happen or how and if I ever had one :S....Just saying this because i remember a lot really a lot of dreams! and I dont know if they were lucide or not :O..

Great guide, Naiya! It's great to have practically all LDing information in one place.

That's a lot of LDs you have there, especially the DILDs! Your timespan isn't that long either; I bet that most people don't have 1/900th as many LDs as you've had in two years in their entire lives! That's very respectable, but hopefully I'll be able to challenge you sometime! This guide should definately help me in my quest to become a lucid dreamer.

Thanks again for the great guide!

Originally Posted by Kaskame

I usually do this because i dont want to wake up and get out of bed because im confortable etc... and well now that I readed this.. I think i had already lucid dreams ^^ I remember me doing this very very times... mom calls me... i wake up... than i dont get up from bed and i start to sleep/dream again and i remember to do something in the dream and than i wake up like after 2-3 minutes :O
And well to be true it was very good....
And than I got other situations that im dreaming and its a good dream! than mom calls me to wake up and she destroys my dream !!!! O_O
Are this LD's? :O

If yes I experienced a lot of LD's without knowing that there were LD's lol

*edit: I remembered when i was a kid.. I was dreaming and than suddenly a monsters kills me.. and I DIE! I start to think to myself.. did I died or something? I start to go on panic and wake up! Is this a LD too? :O

*edit2: Im asking this things because im trying to discover what is a LD (i know the definition) and when they happen or how and if I ever had one :S....Just saying this because i remember a lot really a lot of dreams! and I dont know if they were lucide or not :O..

Remember--a lucid dream is when you know it's a dream when you are still in the dream. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a little confusing at first because like I said in the tutorial, you can realize that you can fly in a dream and still not be aware that you're dreaming.

For the first situation...it sounds like you wake up, then fall back asleep and you dream. So the dream could be a dream, false awakening, or a WILD. I'm not sure from your description. If you remember to do something in the dream because you know it's a dream, then yes you are lucid. The key is, whether or not you knew it was a dream as you were dreaming it.

For the second situation, I would say no, that's not a lucid dream. It sounds like you are questioning reality and wondering where you are and if you died, but you never actually came to the conclusion that you were dreaming until after you woke up.

Originally Posted by GMoney7

Great guide, Naiya! It's great to have practically all LDing information in one place.

That's a lot of LDs you have there, especially the DILDs! Your timespan isn't that long either; I bet that most people don't have 1/900th as many LDs as you've had in two years in their entire lives! That's very respectable, but hopefully I'll be able to challenge you sometime! This guide should definately help me in my quest to become a lucid dreamer.

Thanks again for the great guide!

Thank you. It did take me several years of practice to get this far, and that's why I hope it's encouraging for others. I really believe that if you stick with it, eventually anyone can LD at will, or at least often. It may take some of us more time but I can say it is completely worth the trouble.